Guru Granth and Dasam Granth: A comparison

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| Opinion | 12 June 2016 | Asia Samachar |
Malaysian lawyer and lay Sikh preacher Manjeet Singh talks about the Dasam Granth - PHOTO / ASIA SAMACHAR
Malaysian lawyer and lay Sikh preacher Manjeet Singh talks about the Dasam Granth – PHOTO / ASIA SAMACHAR

Bhai Manjeet Singh, a Kuala Lumpur based lawyer who runs a number of Sikhi discussion groups, shares some thoughts on the Dasam Granth. The discussion was captured in a video entitled ‘Poora Guru SGGS and Dasam Granth: History and a comparison’ recorded by Gurbani Naad.

Excerpts from the video:

Sikhs out of their own cleverness, are looking for an extra Guru. You already have a puraa (complete) Guru in Guru Granth Sahib ji.

The only bani (composition) I personally would read are the bani of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji maharaaj and the three banis of Sri Gobind Singh ji which are accepted as Amrit sanchaar  banis

The word ‘granth’ is very misleading. It simply means a collection of works. There is no religious significance to it, it simply means a collection, compendium.

(Here, Manjit takes the examples of works of poet Shakespeare. When you put together his  work, you can call it Shakespeare’s Granth, with the word ‘granth’ itself not holding any religious meaning. When Punjab University conferred an award to Bhai Vir Singh in 1956, the collection of his work was known as Abinandan Granth, with a subtitle A Homage to Bhai Vir Singh from India and Abroad in Celebration of His 80th Birthday).

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Granth has got no special meaning. So when you say Dasam Granth, there is no special meaning, no religous meaning. It simply means a collection. And dasam, you go back to Sikh history, the first time it is mentioned is during the time of Bhai Mani Singh. He had collected some of his works and put it together and named it Dasam Granth.

In 1896, the Singh Sabha movement collected all the different versions of Dasam Granth available. There were 36 different versions avaialble. The vidhaans (learned) sat down from June 1896 to February 1897, collected banis considered common to all [the versions] and put together into the Dasam Granth you have now. The Dasam Granth you have today is a man-made granth, it is not made by Guru Gobind Singh ji. It was collected by the vidhaans of that time. The Singh Sabha head then was Bhai Menaa Singh. For some reasons, he had burnt all the 36 versions of the Dasam Granth. So, there is no evidence at all as to what was common, and what was not.

AKAAL USTAT

So, the Dasam Granth is a man-made granth. It contains a lot of other banis. For example, Akaal Ustat. Actually, the first word of the….I don’t want to say bani, but composition… of Akaal….The title is a combination of the first word and the last word of a line….a common tradition….

Akaal Ustat is 271 1/2 paragraphs. Its an incomplete bani, the last one word is incomplete. But the swayes we read everyday appear there…In the Akaal Ustat you find, from 210 to 220, there are 20 paragraphs which are ustat, in praise, of chandi. So, when you read Akaal Ustat, it comes in a package. You are reading sevaiye, and reading chandi di ustat (praises of chandi). Before that, from 201 to 209, [various] questions are posed …all questions are put, but no answers given. Gurbani does not work like that. You go to Guru Granth Sahib maharaaj, every question has an answer.

It’s a bit dicey to read anything other than Guru Granth Sahib ji and the three amrit sanchaar banis.

You may read the Guru Granth Sahib a thousand times and yet you will not be able to comprehend it. We can’t understand this bani, and [yet we are] trying to understand other banis, its pushing the cart a little bit too hard.

Some argue that it is okay to read the bani even though its not from the Guru Granth Sahib. On this, Manjit says:

Many Sikhs say that its the bani of Dasam Pathshah (10th Guru). Some may argue what’s wrong in reading the bani. Actually, there is harjeh (effect). You are loading kachee banee. This is not Gurbani, which is sat banee.

Dasam Pathshah was a poraa Guru, but he never ever said that these are the bani you should be reading. This is people trying… their own cleverness. Some argue that you’re less of a Sikh because you do not read these banis. Be clear what is to be read. The whole life will pass by and you will not fully comprehend Guru Granth Sahib.

To read anything other than Guru Granth Sahib ji and the three banis which has been pervaaned (approved) by the Panth and Guru Gobind Singh ji, in my view, is totally wrong. You are burdening yourself. It is not necessary.

 

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  1. I have translated the article into English -Please read and understand the fraud of the SriGuruGranth Sahib Academy in KL and the TKSAAL

    ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਇੱਕ ਭਰਮ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਦੀ ਸਿੱਖ ਪੰਥ ਨੂੰ ਬਹੁਤ ਦੇਣ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਸੱਚ ਇਹ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਸਿਵਾਏ ਕਰਮਕਾਂਡਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਪੰਥ ਨੂੰ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਦੀ ਹੋਰ ਕੋਈ ਵੀ ਦੇਣ ਹੈ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ।

    There is a general misconception among the Sikhs that the promotors of the DSM filth book,the FAKE dum dum tksaal has massive contribution to Sikh Panth.But the reallity is apart from introducing complicated ritualism,it has not given anything positive.

    The tksaal’s FARUD starts after 1977, when it began making false claims.Where was the tksaal in Jaito Mocha?In 1947 riots?In Punjabi Suba agitation?NON EXISTENT

    ਅਸਲੀਅਤ ਇਹ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਜੋ ਮੋਰਚਾ ੧੯੮੨ ਨੂੰ ਅਨੰਦਪੁਰ ਮਤੇ ਦਾ ਲੱਗਾ ਸੀ ਉਹ ਮਤਾ ਵੀ ਸ੍ਰ. ਕਪੂਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਸੀ, ਬਾਬਾ ਜਰਨੈਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਮੋਰਚਾ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਅਪਣਾਇਆ ਸੀ, ਟਕਸਾਲ ਦੀ ਇਨੀ ਔਕਾਤ ਕਿੱਥੋਂ ਕਿ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਦੇ ਨਿਆਰੇਪਣ ਜਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਇੱਕ ਵੱਖਰੀ ਕੌਮ ਬਾਰੇ ਕੁਝ ਸੋਚ ਸਕੇ।

    The reallity is the Anandpur Resolution, was basd upon writings of Sr Kapur Singh, not the idea of Jarnail Singh, the only contribution on behalf of the Tksaal.The Tksaal took advantage of his martyrdom and rode avery high horse for 32 years, while they lied about the existence of Jarnail Singh.Today, the FAKETAKSAL has been caught out, by their attempt to assasinate Ranjit Singh Dadhrianwala, who spoke against the FAKE dsm book.

    ਜਰਾ ਸੋਚੋ ਜਿਹੜੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ…
    lets us look at the Tksaal-it believes …

    ? ਹਨੂੰਮਾਨ ਦੇ ਚਾਲੀਸੇ ਕੱਟਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ,
    walks and imitates the hanuman rituals

    ? ਭਾਈ ਮਰਦਾਨਾ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਪਿਛਲੇ ਜਨਮ ਦੇ ਕਰਮਾਂ ਦੀ ਸਜਾ ਮਿਲਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਨੀਵੀਂ ਜਾਤ ਦਾ ਮਰਾਸੀ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ,
    it beleives that Bhai mardana who spent his whole life with Guru Nanak is a Merasi because of the deeds of his PREVIOUS births!

    ? ਕਛਹਿਰਾ ਹਨੂੰਮਾਨ ਦਾ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ,–
    says that the Sikh article of faith-kahchera is GIFTED by HANUMAN

    ? ਸਿੱਖ ਗੁਰੂਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਲਭ ਕੁਸ਼ ਦੀ ਔਲਾਦ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ,
    Believes and propogates that the Sikh Gurus are offsprings of the hindu linage of Luv and Kush originins

    ? ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਚਤਰਭੁਜ ਜਾਨਵਰ ਦਾ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ,
    that Guru Gobind Singh is the reincarnation of the blood sucking tetragonic animal

    ? ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਵਿਸ਼ਨੂ ਦਾ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ,–Guru Hargobind Sahib is hte re-incarnation of Vishnu

    ? ਪੰਜਾਂ ਪਿਆਰਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਿਛਲੇ ਜਨਮ ਦੇ ਭਗਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ
    the Five Piaras were Bhagtas in their previous births,

    ? ਤਮਾਕੂ ਨੂੰ ਗਊ ਦੇ ਕੰਨਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਉਗਿਆ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ-
    beleives that tobacco ‘s origins lie in the ears of the cow

    ? ਦੇਵੀ ਦੇਵਤਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਸੱਤ ਦਿਨ ਸੂਰਜ ਨੂੰ ਚੜਨ ਤੋਂ ਰੋਕਿਆ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ–
    That the devis and Devtas have powers that stopped the sun from arsing for 7 days ,

    ? ਗੁਰੂ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਅਧੂਰਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਮਝਕੇ ਬਚਿੱਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਗਰੰਥ ਦਾ ਵੀ ਬਰਾਬਰ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ (ਖਿਲਾਰਾ) ਪਾਉਂਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ,
    They beleive GURU GRANTH SAHIB is incomplete-thus they need the bachiter natak to be sat out along side the Guru ji.

    ? ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਕਹਿੰਦੀ ਹੈ “ਰੰਗ ਸਭੇ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੈ ਜੇਤੇ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੰਨਿ”, ਪਰ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਤੋਂ ਉਲਟ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਚਾਰ ਰੰਗ ਹੀ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ,–Gurbani says all colours are magnificient , but tksaal says only 4 olours beautiful.

    ? ਮੂਤ ਕਰਦੇ ਅੱਠ ਸੌ (੮੦੦) ਲੋਕਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਪੱਗਾਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਲੁਹਾ ਕੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸਿਰੋਪੇ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਮੰਨਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ,

    tksaal claims that while 800 people were urinating, Guru Gobind Singh stole their turbans , and offered the Sikhs as sirapoa.

    ਇੱਕ ਐਸੀ ਸੰਸਥਾ (ਟਕਸਾਲ) ਜੋ ਹਿੰਦੂਆਂ (RSS) ਦੀ ਇੱਕ ਬਰਾਂਚ ਵਜੋਂ ਕੰਮ ਕਰਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ, ਕੀ ਕਦੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਦੇ ਨਿਆਰੇਪਣ ਜਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਇੱਕ ਵੱਖਰੀ ਕੌਮ ਬਾਰੇ ਸੋਚ ਸਕਦੀ ਹੈ????? Can such an organisation be Sikh, lead the Sikhs and should Sikhs take them seriously?They are making a mockery of the Sikh religion.They also claim Guru Gobind Singh was he real character in one charitropkahyan-when he went to visit a prostitue, she then shouts, people gather and Guru Gobind runs, his turba falls off, th people caught him and beat him up!!!Com Sikhs awake and learn about the nefarious characters these promoters of the FAKE BOOK are.

    THIS FILTH book teaches strangely totally opposite of what the Guru Granth teaches.But the dsmi prats will never tell you that.I dare any of them to refute any of this teachings found in that book.

    These teachings from dsm Grunt book.
    1]A father can have sex with his daughter and vice versa .
    2]Mother can have sex with son,and vice versa or adopt her lover as son and share the bed.
    3]sisters and brother can have sex
    4]brother in laws can have sex with sister in law or vice versa.
    5]gay sex is acceptable
    6]A GURSIKH can consume BHANG, take marijuana,Opiates, tobacco, ganja, alcohol openly.
    7]GURSIKH can shave clean and dye.It is holy to eat Khutha[ritually killed meat]
    8]A Gursikh can shed off his hair and beard and dress as a woman to have sex with women

    Can someone tell me, what is so spiritual about this book?
    When we have oxymorons like Jaaz pal. Manohar Singh and Maanvikesh Singh , tksaal and SGGSA preaching this book blindly, why do the Sikhs need enemies?

  2. DISCUSSION THREAD AT ASIA SAMACHAR FACEBOOK PAGE ON 12/6/16:

    Jasmail Singh: All scriptures are man made including the bible, koran or the SGGS but they all claim to be the word of God. In the SGGS there are many writings of mystices and saints who were Hindus and Muslims. We read them as they were writings of humans who had a spiritual experince. If I can read these shabads, why should I not read the writings of Guru Gobind Singh, Why would a Master write if its not meant to be read unless you believe its not his writings. Guru Gobind singh did not include his writings in the SGGS. The Sikhs with Guru Gobind Singh would have read them. Panth only included them in the daily prayers. Trust your own heart and listen to your own heart. Don’t put any of these so called authories on sikh scriptures on a pedastal. Man betrays but not the Guru. Form your own relationship with the Guru.

    Jarnail Singh Dhillon Arshi: SGGS is Dhur Ki Bani ayee jin sagllee chint mitayee..and Guru Ramdass ji says..Bani GURU, Guru hai Bani..vich Bani amrit sareh…and we are ordered to listen ONLY TO GURBANI…Satgur bajhon hor KACHEE BANI..sundeh kacheh, kehndeh kache, kachee aakh vikhannee. At any one time there is always ONE GURU….and we need to LISTEN TO HIM…in this case its SGGS. Rest is Man made LITERATURE….for fun..but NOT SPIRITUAL Paath becasue for a SIKH the One and ONLY Spiritual path is SGGS…SWAAL JAVAAB DOVEHN KAREH…MUNDHOH KHUTHAH JAYEH..PERIOD. NO 2 WAYS ABOUT IT…..EK CREATOR..EK BANI..EK PANTH….EK GURU…..EK PAATH….EK EK EK ALL THE WAY. DUALITY IS DEATH (SPIRITUAL).

    Kevvel Kaur: Jasmail Singh. How could you compare SGGS ji with any other holy scripture? SGGS ji is the only holy scripture written by the gurus. Not by any ordinary man. A ‘guru’ is the carrier of light (shabad guru). I beg you to differ your statement. I think you lack the required knowledge.

    Balvinder Singh: This is a good example of those guided by Manmatt as opposed to Gurmatt….just say what comes to mind….no need to put any effort to understand Gurbani….use Gurbani as a mantra…go with the flow….say whatever to appease the crowd…play to the gallery…but always give the impression of divinity….

    Kevvel Kaur: If they don’t even have respect for SGGS ji , then what other granth are they trying to defend? I am surprised with all those who hit likes on his comment. Did they read it carefully ? Jasmail actually insulted SGGS ji

    Harcharan Singh: Jasmail ji your views on religion being man made etc are very agreeable to me. Religion was a way to stop men from doing bad things thus in order to get crediblility and authority religious leaders tapped on the Light of God to give sanctity to their enlightened and genuis views on living a good life. Still as i mentioned many things about Guru Granth Sahib are very clear. Unfortunately many texts have been added or claimed as Guru Gobind Singh’s. Much of the stuff is spurious like the sau sakhi etc. Sikhs need to reevaluate such stuff objectively and. with a rational mind and not just because some dera sant or baba or school said so. Guru Nanak was also a rationalist. Many Sikhs are not unfortunately.

  3. DISCUSSION THREAD AT ASIA SAMACHAR FACEBOOK PAGE ON 12/6/16:

    Manvikash Singh: The speakers arguments are so subjective. He says that Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji never said that we should be reading his Bani, a simple question: How do you know? Secondly, This statements means that you do agree that Dasam Granth is the composition of Guru Gobind Singh only that you feel we should not read or discuss about it.

    The speaker goes to Akaal Ustat and says it is not a complete bani, has unanswered questions and the praises of a deity. My humble request to him, please read before making statements as such it clearly shows that either you have never read or just read what the anti-dasam has to say.
    Regarding the compilation of Dasam Granth, you clearly need to do your own research. It looks like you printed an article online and started to read from it. A good book with thorough research regarding that aspect is, The Granth of Guru Gobind Singh published by Oxford.

    Gurcharan Singh: a simple question how do you know this book was written or compiled only on the writings of Guru Gobind Singh?heresy?At of the end of the day, if Guru Gobind Singh could add his fathers bani , what stopped him from adding his own>he obviously have not added his own-as he did not wish it to be added.Akal Ustat is a writing that had no title-but because praises of God are written -it is ASSUMED it is Guru writing .The title was given by sikhs later, when it was added in 1897-1903-during the standardisaton or sodh-by bhai manna singh and his company!Bhai manna singh was a nirmala-who was not really authorised to do this standardisation -but did so.Having collected 33 copies from around Amritsar in 1897 onwards-they found all were not same-somethings were in one and not others.He decided c to standaris these-and this is where the mischief has taken place.Question to you-if they were indeed written by the Guru who is manna singh to standardise them?How DARE Manna Singh change to look like the Guru granth sahib?Why did manna singh not return the 33 copies to the owners but sent back instead the newly eddited copies?The old copies were burnt.Why were they burnt?Did manna Singh wish to hide the reallity,that it can be proven these are not really the writings of Guru Ji?

    Gurcharan Singh: can you explain why the name is chnaged so many times to hoodwink sikhs into accepting –Guru Granth sahib never changed once .tell me abt these names—-This book has been known as 1]Bachitter natak,2] samund sager 3]Vidya Sager ,4]dasam Granth,5] dasam Guru da granth, 6]dasam Granth Paadsha ka Granth , 7]Sri dasam Granth sahib and finally dasam sri granth sahib.- a very michevious act—to mislead sikhs—FAKE????so you carry FAKE stories?

    Gurcharan Singh: can you explain why the name is chnaged so many times to hoodwink sikhs into accepting –Guru Granth sahib never changed once .tell me abt these names—-This book has been known as 1]Bachitter natak,2] samund sager 3]Vidya Sager ,4]dasam Granth,5] dasam Guru da granth, 6]dasam Granth Paadsha ka Granth , 7]Sri dasam Granth sahib and finally dasam sri granth sahib.- a very michevious act—to mislead sikhs—

    Harcharan Singh: From what i have read about the Singh Sabha movement and the period before tgat I ve never come across Manna Singh. Kudos to you Gurcharan for enlightening us on this point. Please begin writing on the dasam controversy especially so as Ragi Darshan Singh etc are still around. Seems like a big mischievous and treacherous truth surfaced due to the efforts of the Ragi and other similar minded Sikhs.

  4. VIEWS BY READERS HARCHARAN SINGH AND JASMAIL SINGH AS SHARED AT ASIA SAMACHAR FACEBOOK PAGE ON 13/6/16:

    Harcharan Singh: This much is clear. Guru Gobind Singh never pronounce Dasam Granth as the Guru. There was no such book at all that time.

    Jasmail Singh: I am grateful to Guru Gobind Singh that he managed to compile all the writings of the Guru’s. He was in constant battles. Sikhs recited Guru gobind Singh banis and the evidence is there. I am not asking you to belief me but its a free choice. In the early 1990’s I visited a number of Nihangs dera. They bow to Siri Guru Granth as their Guru but recited alot of Guru Gobind Singh banis. Infact they practice gatka with Jaap Sahib. The question of Guru gobind Singh banis being the Guru does not even arise.

    Harcharan Singh: Jasmail ji. Thanjks for your input. Nihangs and some gurdwaras have two parallel Gurus side by side and this trend is increasing since the dasam granth controversy is growing. The main question now is if the rest of dasam granth writings belong to Guru Gobind Singh at all.

  5. Daljeet Singh Ji, I asked you a question, to why the sodh-correction- was necessary to the false planted book-dsm.You have indirectly and coyly try to support by asking people if we know “better”, but the question is why do you think the snatani educated knew “better”

    I tell you the snatani knew no better, if they did, they would have caught out this book easily.Infact they seeing whee their butter was supported falsehood, especially Maskeen-di you ever stand in sangat and asked Maskeen or any body to support their theories?I guess you never did.

    Now, let me tell you why the correction came about.In 1896, a granthi in Harmander Sahib, a Nirmal Singh was caught adding his own lines of poetry to the dsm book.He had also made some alterations to the dsm book.This prompted Bhai Manna Singh to do the corrections-after discussing with the Amritsar Singh sabha , whose founders were also heavily snatani influenced.

    But Bhai Manna Singh,an auditor with the SINGH SABHA, then took liberties to “correct” and add the three stand alone bania into the current copy at his own free will.

    Then he chose to burn the rest ,that were alledgedly “written by the Guru”.

    Bhai Mani story is also inserted subsequently to give some legality.But it misfires, as the letters produced are fake.The suggestion that if Bhai Mehtab Singh and Sukha come back with massa’s head, the book will be accepted,BUT THE BOOK WAS NEVER ACCEPTED ever to this day.

    Now work it all out, if the Khalsa truly believed the Sukha Singh and Mehtab Singh story, why the controversy rages on, by unaccepting?

    Then it also changes its name 8 times, lastly to Dasam, [in small letters] SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB_is this NOT mischief, and to mislead people?When did the dsam became sri guru granth sahib??

    I can give many more contradictions simply based upon the content of Guru Granth sahib and dsm potha.

  6. Bhai Daljeet Singh why do you think semi hindu mythology is present among Sikhs, and some fools even take a copy of Suraj parkash-simply a oral history written by a Sikh for first time-and do KATHA in Gurduaras?Now how very Sikhi and intelligent is that?When asked they go silent.

    WHERE do you think,Bhai Vir Singh,Giani Sant Singh Maskeen etc were educated from?Bindraban, Varansi,Hariduar!Were there Sikhs schools there, if so please name me one.What was the subject they were educated in to get their “Brahm gian”That our community so selfishly dishes out upon any banta, santa and kanta liberally ?

    There is absolutely no doubt these individuals came back tainted with sanscritic mythology and education-that emphasis upon Hindu Vedic religion.

    These people always had the infinity for Hinduism-despite the fact Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha wrote the book-Hum Hindu nahi-thus I left Bhai kahn Singh nabha, as I see no relevance of him in the subject.You have tried to use him to press a point home, when he is very clear in his Mahan kosh that seveal of the alleged writings were found in many separate books-“judian judian pothian wich”.he goes on to state that that controversy had broken up when it is alleged binded copy was found AFTER Bhai Mani Singh’s shahadt.He also clearly states that Granthi Sukha Singh wrote a similar book, where many new writings were added.His explantion is confined to explaining, not in support, but probably more to clarify that these writings in dsm are dubious.

    It is a fact that snatan educated Sikhs have largely taken aboard these writings without question; many unanswered questions arise when this book is looked into with a western education, compared upon the standard benchmark -Guru Granth sahib.

    As for Jarnail Singh Bhindrawala-how do you rate his education and knowledge?Please do NOT like the Tksalis ride high upon his only deed on martydom.Please tell me what was his education, apart from reading parrot like the Books of Sikhism.

    He was a drop out of Std five-in his village school-Rode-went two yrs later and joined the jatha Bhindra-later by 1977 it hijacked the name Damdama sahib-and began reffering itself dum dumie tksaal.He did not even know he was supporting history of falsehood.I challenge you to produce me one writing prior to 1977 where any tksaal is mentioned.Even Bhai Kahn Singh in first edition of the Mahan Kosh does NOT have any entry under Tksaal.Because no such tKsaal existed.

    If he had any sense of education, he would not have used fiery speeches to threaten, but cleverly induced for talks and presentations, and not brought the destruction which he is equally responsible, when his threats had instilled fear among the Sikh leadership of the day.But that is a different subject, though it gave the false tksaal fuel to ride high, so high that it decides to lie more, for 32 years that JSB was alive.Then to now, where it took to assasinating individuals, that now realise, that the porno book is no Guru writings.

    JSB never propagated the dsm book ever.So how did you cleverly deduced he is in favour?He simply followed what he was taught.Even during his occupation of the harmander sahib, he did NOT introduce any aspects of this dubious book.So?

    Seeing the Sikh attachment to GURU GRANTH SAHIB since 1999, anti Sikhs have embarked upon trying to popularise this PORNO dsm book among Sikhs,with functions held in 2004, and 2006,can you tell me do you and those who held these functions KNOW better than Guru Granth sahib, and the Guru order-Guru “maniyo Granth-Sri Guru Granth sahib”.

    I suggest instead of blindly throwing the responsbility upon people dead and gone, study the TRUTH from factually based historical records.

    Manjit Singh has obviously grabbed from one previous article and decided to master that and share-he has made many mistakes.I have not read his whole story-but gleamd through.Though I agree that the current standardisd version is NOT the original book.

    The sodhak committee was NOT a panthic action, but more of one man, who was NOT the head of any SABHA-but a layman NIRMALA-Bhai Manna Singh.It was not from 1895 to 1897-but 1897 to 1903.I have the sodhak committee papers in my collection.

    1]Manna Singh had collected 33 different versions-from within Amritsar-but some record says there were over 40 different versions in all around, India.

    2]He proceeded to standardise these different versions with different stories along the lines of the Guru Granth sahib.

    Now, a question,to you- if indeed they were Gurus writings, WHY the need to standardise-it means many contents were chopped out-others probably added-who gave the authority to cut and chop the Gurus writings?

    This act alone is sufficient to reject this dubious writing, that is obviously adulterated over the last 200 years, by so many, and so much.It has changed its name 8 times.Can YOU tell me why, such change was of names was necessary?

    Guru Granth sahib has NEVER changed.One line that was changed led to immediate recorrection by Guru Ji and rejection of the incorrect copy.Not a single lav, lagg or spelling , to the extent the pronunciation is changed.

    But why was it necessary to change the name 8 times, content being editd, added, minused and the finally standardised by men, of dubious leanings?

    My question 3, to you.Do you know WHY was this so called sodhak-standardisation called for?By the way, it was conducted , I doubt the SINGH SABHA had any dealings with it at all.

    I am surprised that ASIA SAMACHAR in its usual type “wisdom” taken a half true article and presented it .It is very clear, Manjit Singh has read somewhere ONE article, and made a mish mesh out of it, in his quest to share the TRUTH.

    There are many mistakes in manjits article.

    1]Bhai Manna Singh was NOT the head of any SINGH sabha.

    2]No Central Sikhs body paid any expenses towards this standardisation.There was no clarity, nor slightest guidance of worthwhile academic mind or discussion-the final or appears to b sole decision maker was Bhai Manna Singh.NO VIDHAWANS were involved.Some people were appointed to read the book.

    3]It was done in a small rented shop house outside the darbar sahib.

    4]33 versions collected from Amritsar alone-none was returned to the original owners.New copies were given in place.

    5]The originals were bunt-to hide the evidence-surely this was a deliberate act o hide the truth.Surely, any person with right mind would not do such to destroy HISTORICAL evidence and that too written alledgely by the GURU,Why was it destroyed?What did they wish to hide?

    An old saying in English goes, tell a lie many many times, people will start believing it to be true-is exactly what has happened here.
    the biggest hoax of the century, was bought lock barrel and key by foolish Sikhs,that now the RSS has recognisd to be a good weapon to bring Sikhs back into the Hindu fold, by proving Guru Gobind Singh was a Pujari of Durga DEVI.Simple theory,that foolish Sikhs do NOT understand.

    The book contents are so contradictory when compared to the Guru Granth sahib.But Bhai manjit Singh with limited understanding of the subject has NOT compared it to Guru Granth sahib,bar a few shallow lines.

    To begin with Guru Granth sahib speaks of God being omnipresent, formless, timeless infinite-EKO’NKAAR–but according to the Porno dsm , God has red piercing eyes, large teeth that like to e
    at human flesh-

    “mha darr darr so’hn//jinnae charbiye jiv jangye hazaar/”lline 19 para 1, page 40 of the porno book dsm.

    It goes on to say

    “Chator ba’hn//nijoontt sudhar/gadha pan so’hn//jam maan mo’hn
    line 1,pge 41

    It says, GOD drinks alcohol , and becomes mad, and roars like a baby tiger -this clearly shows their God is a form, bodily formed.

    This description of GOD is found on various pages , even in triya chariter-yet when these dsm fools are confronted with such-they give horrendously funny rationale.Or try and shut up the discussion with threats.I wont even go into the rest 60 % of the charitropakhyan content of this book.

    Perhaps, Asia Samachar, will allow me to pen an article, which will truly do comparative study of the Guru Granth sahib, and expose the planted book dsm.

    In my opinion, Asia samachar should be supported that is playing its vital role in educating and exposing the falsehood being spread among Sikhs by these nefarious groups under the holier than disguise of Sikhi!

    I would suggest Manjit Singh read the book, understand the enemy and its content before sharing it.
    It is interesting to note, that apart from passing on videos and other names,of third parties ,none has defended the dsm porno book, over the last few months.beause there nothing to ‘defend’ factually

  7. ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ
    Dear; sanggat listen to link below why discussion against DASAM GRANTH JI is going everywhere especially after beadbi of SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI last year and SARBAT KHALSA meeting. The agencies are worried seeing Sikhs are awake and need to break Sikhs. All these statements to confused panth prepared and shared to break us. Some Sikhs think they had a great finding to against DASAM GRANTH and start to write, share without knowing why.

    Before writing, supporting or sharing against DASAM GRANTH ask ourselves a question do we know better than than Sant Jernail Singh Bhindrawale,
    Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha,
    Bhai Vir Singh,
    Giani Sant Singh Maskeen

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=804555153006856&id=699983410130698

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