Two opposing views on Lembah Jaya incident

After two Sikhs were ejected from Gurdwara Sahib Lembah Jaya, Asia Samachar receives two letters: one defending the ejected party, the other in support of the preacher.

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Opinion | Malaysia | 13 Feb 2017 | Asia Samachar |

 

A gurdwara in Malaysia yesterday ejected two Sikhs after they allegedly caused a ruckus in the darbar sahib while a sermon was in progress. See here.

This is a new development in Malaysia. In the past few weeks, Sikhs in Malaysia were greeted with the uncomfortable reports that certain parties were believed to be deliberately trying to disrupt talks on Sikhi at gurdwaras by certain preachers.

After the incident at Gurdwara Sahib Lembah Jaya in Ampang, Selangor, yesterday, Asia Samachar received two separate views. One seems to be defending the ejected party, the other in support of the preacher. We share them both.

VIEW 1: You are breaking up the Panth

By Jaipreet Kaur

Do you think by writing negative thoughts and posting them on your website is a good thing? For example: “One member of the Sanggat alleged that Malkit had signalled the youth in black patka just before the youth stood up to speak while Dr Karminder was in the midst of his lecture”.

If this is true, then its ok but why you are not telling the rest of the story? Why didn’t you write the reason behind those two people speaking out loud in darbar sahib? What were they unhappy about?

Bhai ji, I don’t know what is your mission but whatever you are bringing up on your website about the Ek Granth Ek Panth issue is not right. You are actually breaking up the Sikh Panth in Malaysia.

With regards to the Dashm Granth issue, just look at what you have written about mitare pyare nu shabda. Don’t you think it was a sin – writing such bad thoughts about Guru Gobind Singh Ji shabda?

Bhai ji, no matter how much your team tries to remove Dashm Granth Bani, trust me, there will be many youths like me, who will stand up and defend our Dashm Pitah ji bani.

Waheguru Ji ka khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh

 

VIEW 2: The Sanggat is awakening, there is hunger for Gyaan

By Jarnail Singh Dhillon Arshi

The Lembah Jaya Ampang Gurdwara Sanggat had a highly charged session with Malaysia’s lay preacher extraordinaire Dr Karminder Singh Dhillon who mesmerised the full house capacity gurdwara hall for more than 90 minutes with the most modern, logical and reasoned way to seek GYAAN from the One and Only GURU of the Sikhs, AAD SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI, in the way Guru Ji intended.

The long running series of talks by Dr Ji, entitled Leadership of the SGGS into the 21st Century’, have been very well received at more than 12 Gurdwaras all over Malaysia, including the bigger ones such as Seremban (twice), Klang (twice), Wadda Gurdwara Sahib Ipoh, Muar, Kuala Pilah, Sungei Besi Shappahn and Selayang (twice). The latest is at Lembah jaya Ampang, the awakened jagrook sanggat of which is mostly members of the Tatt Khalsa Diwan Selangor.

The bilingual talks, in Punjabi and English, are aided by the excellent slides to help portray the Divine Message of SGGS clearly and logically. At almost each talk, Dr Ji concludes with an invite to a follow up. When Dr Ji concludes each talk, he opens the floor to all to ask questions – something which has never happened before. For so long, preachers have come and preached and gone….leaving the sanggat none the wiser and most times with totally wrong messages culled from fake stories, sakhis and tall tales of miracles which have absolutely NOTHING at all to do with the Guru’s Divine Message in SGGS.

The Dharam de Thekedaar (contractors of religion) are feeling threatened. They fear losing all RELEVANCE as each Sikh understands Gurbani. They fear losing all relevance when do away with RITUALS. These are the very peope now trying to put a stop to such an awakening.

BUT the members of the Sanggat are overwhelmingly in support of seeking the Gyaan which has so long been kept hidden under wraps by these contractors. This is evident when you see them take the trouble to make the time and sit for almost 90 minutes and more at each session, and then ask questions to allay their doubts.

There is strongest evidence that the Sanggat is awakening….and jagrook. No more spoon feeding will be tolerated from half baked, semi literate preachers, who are in it solely for self glory and money.

The Sikhs hunger for GYAAN, LOGIC and reason-based knowledge in SGGS which is leading them into the 21st century and not backwards to the Dark Ages! The time has come to join this Revolution of Knowledge, Gyaan and Gurbani based Religion to improve our lives and become Sikhs that lead.

The Lembah Jaya Sanggat, led by its able leadership, have shown they are progressive and willing to take steps towards the Guru to seek Him. Kudos.

 

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2 COMMENTS

  1. It is very very very , I cannot say enough times, that certain quarters are VERY VERY VERY IGORANT-let alone know the basics of the Sikh religion or Guru Granth sahib.

    It becomes side splittingly uproarious, when one hears misled and full of sputum [individuals], to the nose, ignorant individuals who have no understanding of the Punjabi language, trying to make issus out of absolutely zero, while promoting a book totally plagiarised from the hindu purans , an evility that caused the subjucation of the hindu faith for generations, pittibly depressed to living in caste and inhuman conditions for generations-until Budhism gave respite to limit, and Sikhsim rejected these kamasutric books- and after 237 years of live message consolidated that into the ONE-EK Guru Granth,begining with {3“by Guru Nanak Ji-to ek bani ek Gur Eko shabd Vichar, on page 646-leading to the only and One GRANTH rooted spiritually in the panth.

    I have said elsewhere that such slogans have been used in Sikh agitations by the very Sikhs from the Akal Takhat-including Bhindrawala- from what little h knew and was taught.

    So, when we see such deplorable and poignant characters as seen Gurduara Lembah Jaya and elsewhere tongue jerking with irrational so called “questions”-it must be understood, their level of education cannot be higher than stand 6.

    I have said this elsewhere jaipreet is totally professionally being extremely economically miserly with truth, and more a pretentious and fictitious character, sat up to waffle and try to confuse the people.So, it will be a wasteful, even if I attempt to rationalise her view.

    I would throw it straight into the large bin, where I would throw any book that sits with my Guru Granth sahib =the eka Guru of the Ek panth , that has ek maryada.

    Pity, if these maladjusted, neurotically venomously and vicius resentful people, do not understand the Guru is ONE and it is EK Guru Granth sahib and not some degrading warped kamasutric book, then their have a major twisted logic, that has no place within the Sikh panth.

  2. Gurfateh Jios.
    There are three MISCONCEPTIONS being spread among the Sangats of Malaysia by FOREIGN BASED instigators.
    These are:
    1. That the EK Granth EK Panth EK Maryada is an attempt to a) Change the TITLE of Add Sri Guru Granth sahib JI and b) an attempt to BREAK up and DIVIDE the Panth because of the call for EK panth/EK maryada.

    These foreign based instigators who are active on the Internet via wattsapp Groups and facebook Accounts carry on this malicious agenda to divide the Malaysian Sangat based on faulty reasoning.

    First of all, the EK Granth EK Panth EK maryada is a SLOGAN !! Slogans are always SHORT and to the POINT.
    Secondly calling for all to UNITE under EK Panth and EK maryada is not dividing but UNITING.

    The Full and Proper Titles of the three mentioned in the SLOGAN are:

    1, AAD SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ and this Title appears on each and every COPY in existence. No one has produced a Copy of the SGGS with the title EK Granth !! and never will. ( But miscrenats backing these foreign based instigators have indeed PRODUCED COPIES OF THE AAD SRI GURU GRNATH SHAIB JI MAHARAJ WITH ALTERATIONS AND DELETIONS TO SUIT THEIR AGENDA.

    2. The GURU KHALSA PANTH was established by Guru Gobind Singh Ji in 1699 formally at Anandpur Sahib Vasakhi and placed it under the TABIAH of AAD SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ. No other entity or jathebandi was ever sanctioned by Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the ONLY GRANTH that was put on the GURGADEE of GURU NANAK-Guru Gobind Singh ji is AAD SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ.

    3. The SIKH REHAT MARYADA arrived at after decades of WORLDWIDE discussions among Sikhs was finally APPROVED by the SGPC and sanctioned by the AKAL TAKHAT in 1935. This is the EK MARYADA of the Guru Khalsa Panth in the tabiah of the AAD SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ. Note: Most Taksals, jathebandis, deras etc etc HAVE NEVER FOLLOWED THIS SRM AND YET THEY ALWAYS DECLARE ALLEGIANCE TO AKAL TAKHAT AND SGGS !! In Fact TWO major jathebandees – namely the Damdami taksaal and the Akhand Kirtani jatha AKJ Hold OPPOSITE VIEWS on the Raagmala !! DT beleives its Gurbani and AKJ beleives its NOT. The SRM however sanctions it as read/dont read as per ones wishes. Meaning its a compromise. Both these have their own Maryadas which is called “Unity” ??

    To summarise _ No one can change the title of the GUru of the Sikhs..it has always beena nd will always remain as AAD SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ. However if there has never been a protest at calling the GURU, SGGS or SGGS ??? Isnt SGGS/AGGS ??? a “change” as per these people’s propoganda on EK Granth. The SLOGAN is simply a SLOGAN. Period. The Driving Force behind it is UNITY of the Guru Khalsa panth under the ONE and ONLY GURU of the Sikhs the AAD Sri guru granth sahib Ji maharaj.

    The ONE and ONLY “GRANTH” that exists in this Universe of Spirituality….is the EK GRANTH thats our One and Only GURU and its rightful title is AAD SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ. All other books, grnaths etc are supplementary and additional but NOT GURU. They CANNOT be accorded the PROTOCOL ACCORDED TO THE GURU – CHANDOA, PALKI, CHAUR SAHIB, PLAKHAN, RUMMALEH, MANJI SHAIB, SUKHASSAN ROOM, TRANSPORT ON THE HEAD AND IN SPOECIAL ESCORT OF FIVE PYARAS ETC ETC. THIS PROTOCOAL IS SOLELY RESERVED FOR THE AAD SRI GURU GRNATH SHAIB JI MAHARAJ……AND ANY ATTEMPT HOEVER FEEBLE AND POORLY DISGUISED IS AN ATTEMPT TO DIVIDE AND CASUE DISUNITY IN THE SANGAT.
    WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH TO ALL.

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