Dasam Granth video directive ignites debate in Malaysia

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| Malaysia | 1 Aug 2016 | Asia Samachar |
A grab of the video directive on Dasam Granth - PHOTO / ASIA SAMACHAR
A grab of the video directive on Dasam Granth – PHOTO / ASIA SAMACHAR

A message and a video recording, badged as a ‘directive’ from the Sikh ‘supreme authority’ purportedly directing the community to accept the controversial Dasam Granth as an ‘integral part of the Khalsa Panth’, is making its rounds via the social media in Malaysia.

The recording features some key Sikh officials from Punjab. Also seated with them was an official of the Kuala Lumpur-based Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Academy (SGGS Academy).

It is seen to be fuelling further a recent debate on the acceptance of Dasam Granth in this part of the world.

“Those who dispute or question the position of Sri Dasam Granth and its role in the Sikh ethos are ‘Panth Virodhi’ (opponents of Panth) and ‘Panth Dhoki’ (inimical of the Panth) and are in fact regarded to be against Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji,” reads the message.

The debate has started. In one social media Gurmat discussion group, one commentator challenged the legitimacy of the purported directive.

“This video is NOT a “hukumnama” by any measure. The only hukumnama that Sikhs accept is from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib (SGGS). It’s neither a matta or a gurmatta either. At the very best, it’s an opinion,” it argues.

The commentator argued that on 16 June 2016, the Akaal Takhat issued a letter saying “no one has the right to amend the SRM” and that “those seeking to amend d SRM must follow the same procedure that was used to make it”.

Hence, he argued: “Holding a mic and speaking ones opinion is not part of that procedure. Given the above; the right thing for us Sikhs to do is to ignore this video (and others that may come later) and stick to the Panth accepted SRM.”

SGGS Academy was the same organisation that went ahead with a kirtan and katha of Dasam Granth in Kuala Lumpur in June despite objections from some quarters of the community, including the Malaysian Gurdwaras Council (MGC).

 

THE MESSAGE THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE TWO VIDEOS:

DIRECTIVES FROM SIKH PANTH’S SUPREME AUTHORITY WITH REGARDS TO KATHA & KIRTAN OF SRI DASAM GRANTH SAHIB IN GURDWARAS.

Part 1: https://youtu.be/0xTGgwaAe74
Part 2: https://youtu.be/THRj2YACN24
Salient points from the video attached;

A) The entire Sri Dasam Granth is Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s Bani (Gurbani).

B) Sri Dasam Granth is an unquestionable integral part of the Khalsa Panth providing guidance on Sikh lifestyle (with relevance to Charitropakhyan), Code of Conduct (Rehat Maryada), Ardaas, Significance of Arms in Sikh faith, Amrit and Khalsa Panth.

C) Sri Dasam Granth complements Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s meanings in its deeper context.
D) Those who dispute or question the position of Sri Dasam Granth and its role in the Sikh ethos are ‘Panth Virodhi’ (opponents of Panth) and ‘Panth Dhoki’ (inimical of the Panth) and are in fact regarded to be against Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

E) The Katha & Kirtan of Sri Dasam Granth is done at all Takhats and historical Gurdwaras till date.

The above resolutions are passed in the presence of;
Singh Sahib Giani Gurbachan Singh Jathedar Takhat Sri Akaal Takhat
Singh Sahib Giani Mal Singh Jathedar Takhat Sri Keshgarh Sahib
Singh Sahib Giani Iqbal Singh Jathedar Takhat Sri Harmandir Ji Patna Sahib
Singh Sahib Giani Gurmukh Singh Jathedar Takhat Sri Damdama Sahib & Head Granthi Akal Takhat Sahib

At Gurdwara Lakhi Jungle on 30th July 2016.

PS: Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Academy is accredited by ALL the Takhats and Sampardas with regards to its syllabus and Parchar.

SOME MESSAGES THAT FOLLOWED IN ONE DISCUSSION GROUP SEEN BY ASIA SAMACHAR:

 

COMMENT A: 1. Which Jathedars? Those rejected by Sarbat Khalsa last year? Or those appointed? 2. Issued from Akaal Takht? Or elsewhere? Directive can be issued from elsewhere when Akaal Takht Sahib is under siege or occupied by inimical forces. Traditionally, decisions are announced by the Akaal Takhat Jathedar, not any other. Those who like to hear their own voice, can be persuaded to speak, more so if a video is being recorded that will go viral.

COMMENT B: Does this Jathedar has any credibilaty to lead Sikh Panth? I am sorry I have lost respect for him after he has issued MAAFI-NAMA to a Dehra Baba whose preaching & actions are against Sikh Dharam. Gustakhi Maaf

COMMENT C: Points to note. 1. This video is NOT a “hukumnama” by any measure. The only hukumnama that Sikhs accept is from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib (SGGS). It’s neither a matta or a gurmatta either. At the very best, it’s an opinion. 2. It’s an opinion by someone who has transgressed the Panth’s Sikh Reht Maryada (SRM) which says no other book can be installed in the presence of the SGGS. The Dasam Granth is installed in Patna and Damdma. And that is against the SRM. So Iqbal Singh is guilty of violating the SRM. People guilty themselves are in no position to issue Gurmattas (edicts) 3. It’s an opinion by someone who is insulting the SGGS by suggesting the SGGS is in-complete. 4. On 16/6:2016 the Akaal Takhat issued a letter saying “no one has the right to amend the SRM”. And more “that those seeking to amend d SRM must follow the same procedure that was used to make it”. Holding a mic and speaking ones opinion is not part of that procedure. 5. Given the above; the right thing for us Sikhs to do is to ignore this video (and others that may come later) and stick to the Panth accepted SRM.

COMMENT D: The jathedars mentioned are going AGAINST the SRM that the Akaal Takhat agreed to in 1945. So could it be that the jathedars are guilty of being Panth dokhi?

COMMENT E: In the video, Jathedar Iqbal Singh of Patna says: “Bahut saariaan aisiaan vicharan hun jihrhiaan gurbani parhan naal bhedh nahin khul sakde.” A concerted move to prove that Guru Granth Sahib Ji is unable to guide the Panth and the world. Any bigger Panth dhokhis than these? Recording it and labelling it as “Directives from Sikh Panth’s Takhats” is also an attempt to mislead the sanggat…

COMMENT F: Response From the video. NOBODY is questioning all the sacrifices by our beloved Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji in any way whatsoever. We are all indebted and have tears in our eyes when we read all those stories about his sacrifices where ultimately He sacrificed everything including his whole family for Sikhi. In fact the so called DG is discussed due to all the sacrifices made by our Beloved Guru for us and because we know certain DG content does not reflect on our Guruji’s character, thoughts and sacrifices. In fact it has distorted the supreme character of our Guruji and his his real beliefs.

2. The argument when the Jathedar says if go against DG we are going against Guru Gobind Singh himself is totally flawed and misleading to create more confusion and fear in Sangat.

3. By continuously saying Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji needed full “support” from outside sources and could not stand alone oy by its own is fact the BIGGEST INSULT of them all to our Guruji. What is truly happening is the other way around where outside source are being strengthen further based on Gurbani Pangtia to authenticate it as everyone already know SGGSJ is the Supreme Source of all.

4. The directive would have been more authentic if it is solely based on SGGSJ Hukamnama as our Supreme Throne. Everybody knows our Rehat Maryada is made-man to guide us to basic ways of living as Sikhs and it was made BASED on SGGSJ and what was already accepted as Gurmat then.

COMMENT G: Agree to disagree when it concerns an opinion and preference. Should we agree if some say that the false is true or otherwise? Shouldn’t the record be set straight? Do we keep quiet and let certain parties continue to make Guru Gobind Singh look different, weird and off tangent of Nanak? As addressed earlier, is it all about bir ras? Guru arjan, guru Hargobind , guru teg bahadur were all devoid of bir ras ? So God regretted creating women? If it were from another faith I would let it be for that what their scriptures say. Here if certain people choose to belive so, so be it. But they also choose to corrupt others. Then why should we let it be? It’s Disturbing and hair splitting indeed but for whats necessary do we must. Guru Nanak stood up against Babar all alone. And someone tell me that’s not bir ras

COMMENT H: When someone says another granth is needed to complement or to explain Guru Granth Sahib Ji, then he is insulting Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji. When someone says only those who read Dasam Granth compositions are capable of offering shaheedee, he is insulting Guru Arjan ji, Guru Teg Bahadur ji, and a host of shaheeds like Bhai Mat Das, etc.

COMMENT I: This is again is a political and cowardice ploy to discredit the Sarbat Khalsa n divide the Sikh Nation especially the Malaysian sanggat. The Malaysian involved are cowards for not sitting on a round table with MGC to come to a clear understanding but using the backdoor and stained Jhatedars to meet their objectives. This video is more of an attack on Malaysian Sikhs who hv voiced out strongly on DG. The Academy felt the pressure and ran to stained Jhatedars for their support.

COMMENT J: I come to understand from the discussion on DG that most of the members giving opinions are very learned and have excellent knowledge of SGGS without any external sources. I laud their knowledge on SGGS. Unfortunately there are many may of us who have to learn SGGS by using external sources. SGGS is not easy to appreciate when we try to read/learn it on its own. We have to rely on external sources.

We have some very useful resources available for these purposes e.g. Dictionaries (Mahan Kosh, Punjabi Uni Patiala), Vaaran Bhai Gurdas, Prof Sahib Singh’s teak, Manmohan Singh’s teak. There are many then current concepts prevalent then that are referred to in SGGS. Some of these concepts are from other denominations.

Varan Bhai Gurdas is a very important reference since it outlines and freezes the concepts, including those from other denominations, referred to in Gurbani that were current when our Gurus wrote Gurbani. It is highlighted that the concepts, from other denominations, which may not be prescribed in Gurbani, are used only for illustration purposes in Gurbani. Our Gurus and Bhai Gurdas had the foresight, being aware of the possibility of alteration of the texts which relate to these concepts and hence had the Vaaran prepared.

Similarly I think one of these resources is the DS and believe it outlines the thought, concepts etc (sort of like VaaranBG) that were current then. I have not read the DS so cannot vouch for this but is just the inner gut feeling from a bystander perspective.
Without these reference, modern versions of these concepts could become corrupted with changes and therefore the meaning altered. Thus a future student of Gurbani may be presented with a concept that is different than that during the time of our Gurus. Therein lies the invaluable importance of Vaaran of Bhai Gurdas etc.

I believe that substantial resources were destroyed in 1984 so we must preserve whatever we have left. By accepting the DS as such a resource we would not have lost anything.
So far we have not gained anything with the DS issue. Let us agree to disagree and move on. There are bigger pressing issues.

Let someone, group or organisation do as they wish with the DS but we want to develop ourselves and therefore agree to disagree and move on.

Sikh Rehat Maryada: Was the English version tampered with?
Sikh Rehat Maryada: Was the English version tampered with?

COMMENT K: Thank you for pointing out d distortion in d SRM done in the name of translation. The mistake is purposive and – you won’t believe this – commited by d Dhram Parchar Committee of the SGPC! Another indication that our primary institutions have sold their soul to those bent to destroy our Maryada and beliefs. The SGPC was supposed to be the guardian of the SRM.

COMMENT L: We lost Sikh raj due to traitors manipulated by the English. Now we are manipulated by anti-Sikh elements who use the British technique of divide and rule. Why can we follow the simple formula of tapping the divine knowledge in SGGS while accepting DG as a literary masterpiece whether compiled by Guru Gobind Singh or others and the Jaap and Saweeia in our daily prayer.

COMMENT M: Only we can destroy ourselves. It is imperative that we equip ourselves with the gian of SGGS. That’s what we are attempting to do here I believe. The bad guys look like Sikhs but are not. That’s a big challenge.

 

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13 COMMENTS

  1. When will there be an END on this DIVISIVE SUBJECT?
    Both sides appear to be bent on proving the other party wrong and own view as right when THERE IS NO WAY OF SETTLING THE DIFFERENT VIEWS.
    The only achievement can be DIVISION OF SANGGAT which is ALREADY FRAGMENTED.
    If both sides view are accepted then the only conclusion can be that BOTH SIDES MAY BE IGNORANT BUT PRETEND TO BE EXPERTS ABOUT THE HOLY SCRIPTURES OF SIKHS.
    Many like me may be further driven away from Sikhi by their arguments which may indicate their self serving intentions.
    CLOSE THIS SUBJECT IF BOTH PARTIES HAVE INTEREST OF SIKHISM AS IT MAY NOT HAVE ANY CONCLUSION OR BE OF COMMON GOOD IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE SANGGAT.

  2. ਕਾਮ ਸਤਾਉਂਦਾ
    ਬਚਿੱਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ (ਅਖੌਤੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ) ਨਾਮੀ ਪੁਸਤਕ ਵਿਚਲੀ ਰਚਨਾ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰੋਪਖ੍ਯਾਨ (ਤ੍ਰਿਆ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ) ਦੇ ੧੬੦ਵੇਂ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਲ ਸ਼ੁਰੂਆਤ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਾਂ। ਇਸ ਦੀ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਕਿਸੇ ਤਿਰਹੁਤ ਦੇਸ਼ ਦਾ ਇੱਕ ਰਾਜਾ ਸੀ ਬਲਵੰਤ ਸਿੰਘ, ਜਿਸ ਦੀਆਂ ੬੦ ਰਾਣੀਆਂ ਸਨ। ਉਹ ਸਾਰੀਆਂ ਬਹੁਤ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਸਨ। ਉਹ ਸਾਰੀਆਂ ਨਾਲ ਵਾਰੀ ਵਾਰੀ ਸੰਭੋਗ ਕਰਦਾ ਸੀ। ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਇੱਕ ਰਾਣੀ ਰੁਕਮ ਕਲਾ ਬਾਕੀਆਂ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਵਧੇਰੇ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਵੀ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੀੜਾ ਦਾ ਵਧੇਰੇ ਝਸ ਸੀ। ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਜਦੋਂ ਕਾਮ ਸਤਾਉਂਦਾ ਉਹ ਆਪਣੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਦਾਸੀ ਨੂੰ ਭੇਜ ਕੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੂੰ ਬੁਲਾ ਲੈਂਦੀ।
    ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਕਲਾ ਨਾਂਅ ਦੀ ਆਪਣੀ ਇੱਕ ਦਾਸੀ ਨੂੰ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੂੰ ਬੁਲਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਭੇਜਿਆ। ਉਹ ਦਾਸੀ ਵੀ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਅਤੇ ਜੁਆਨ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਦਾਸੀ ਦੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਉਤੇ ਹੀ ਕਾਮ ਸਵਾਰ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ। ਉਸ ਨੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਉਸ ਤੇ ਮੋਹਿਤ ਹੋ ਗਈ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਕੀਤੀ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਉਸ ਨਾਲ ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੀੜਾ ਕਰੇ। ਰਾਜਾ ਵੀ ਉਸ ਤੇ ਮੋਹਿਤ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਦੋਨਾਂ ਨੇ ਰਲ ਕੇ ਜੋ ਗੰਦ ਘੋਲਿਆ, ਉਸ ਦੇ ਵਰਨਣ ਅਗਲੇ ਪੰਜ ਬੰਦਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਇੰਝ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ:
    ‘ਸੁਧਿ ਭੂਲੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਸਭੈ ਬਿਰਹ ਬਿਕਲ ਭਯੋ ਅੰਗ। ਕਾਮ ਕੇਲ ਮੋ ਸੌ ਕਰੌ ਗਹਿ ਗਹਿ ਰੇ ਸਰਬੰਗ। ੬। `
    ਅਰਥ: ਮੇਰੀ ਸਾਰੀ ਸੁੱਧ ਬੁੱਧ ਚਲੀ ਗਈ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਰੀਰ ਬਿਰਹੋਂ ਨਾਲ ਵਿਆਕੁਲ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ। ਹੇ ਰਾਜਨ! ਸਾਰੇ ਅੰਗ ਫੜ ਫੜ ਕੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਨਾਲ ਕਾਮ-ਕ੍ਰੀੜਾ ਕਰੋ।
    ‘ਚੌਪਈ`
    ‘ਜਬ ਰਾਜੇ ਐਸੇ ਸੁਨਿ ਪਾਯੋ। ਤਾ ਕੇ ਭੋਗ ਹੇਤ ਲਲਚਾਯੋ।
    ਲਪਟਿ ਲਪਟਿ ਤਾ ਸੌ ਰਤਿ ਕਰੀ। ਚਿਮਟਿ ਚਿਮਟਿ ਆਸਨ ਤਨ ਧਰੀ। ੭। `
    ਅਰਥ: ਜਦ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੇ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਸੁਣਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨਾਲ ਭੋਗ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਲਲਚਾ ਗਿਆ। ਉਸ ਨਾਲ ਲਿਪਟ ਲਿਪਟ ਕੇ ਕਾਮ-ਕ੍ਰੀੜਾ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਤੇ ਚਿਮਟਿ ਚਿਮਟਿ ਕੇ ਆਸਣ ਧਾਰਨ ਕੀਤੇ।
    ‘ਚਿਮਟਿ ਚਿਮਟਿ ਤਾ ਸੌ ਰਤਿ ਮਾਨੀ। ਕਾਮਾਤੁਰ ਹਵੈ ਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਲਪਟਾਨੀ।
    ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਬਰ ਛਿਨਿਕ ਨ ਛੋਰਿਯੋ ਭਾਵੈ। ਗਹਿ ਗਹਿ ਤਾਹਿ ਗਰੇ ਸੌ ਲਾਵੈ। ੮। `
    ਅਰਥ: ਚਿਮਟ ਚਿਮਟ ਕੇ ਉਸ ਨਾਲ ਰਤੀ-ਕ੍ਰੀੜਾ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਤੇ ਕਾਮ ਨਾਲ ਆਤੁਰ ਹੋਈ ਇਸਤਰੀ ਲਿਪਟੀ ਰਹੀ। ਉਹ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੂੰ ਛਿਣ ਭਰ ਲਈ ਵੀ ਛਡਣਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਚਾਹੁੰਦੀ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਫੜ ਫੜ ਕੇ ਉਸਨੂੰ ਗਲੇ ਨਾਲ ਲਗਾਉਂਦੀ ਸੀ
    ‘ਦੋਹਰਾ` ‘ਭਾਤਿ ਭਾਤਿ ਆਸਨ ਲਏ ਚੁੰਬਨ ਕਰੇ ਬਨਾਇ। ਚਿਮਟਿ ਚਿਮਟਿ ਭੋਗਤ ਭਯੋ ਗਨਨਾ ਗਨੀ ਨ ਜਾਇ। ੯। `
    ਅਰਥ: ਉਸ ਨੇ ਭਾਂਤ ਭਾਂਤ ਦੇ ਆਸਣ ਬਣਾਏ ਅਤੇ ਚੁੰਬਨ ਲਏ। ਚਿਮਟ ਚਿਮਟ ਕੇ ਭੋਗ ਵਿਲਾਸ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਿਸਦਾ ਵਰਣਨ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ।
    “ਖਾਇ ਬੰਧੇਜਨ ਕੀ ਬਰਿਯੈ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਭਾਂਗ ਚਬਾਇ ਅਫੀਮ ਚੜਾਈ। ਪੀਤ ਸਰਾਬ ਬਿਰਾਜਤ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕਾਮ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਿ ਸੌ ਪ੍ਰੀਤ ਮਚਾਈ। ਆਸਨ ਔਰ ਅਲਿੰਗਨ ਚੁੰਬਨ ਭਾਤਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਲੀਏ ਸੁਖਦਾਈ। ਯੌ ਤਿਹ ਤੋਰਿ ਕੁਚਾਨ ਮਰੋਰਿ ਸੁ ਭੋਰ ਲਗੇ ਝਕਝੋਰਿ ਬਜਾਈ। ੧੦। ”
    ਅਰਥ: ‘ਬੀਰਜ ਰੋਕਣ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਟੀਆਂ ( ‘ਬਰਿਯੈ`) ਖਾ ਕੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੇ ਭੰਗ ਚਬੀ ਅਤੇ ਅਫੀਮ ਚੜ੍ਹਾ ਲਈ। ਸ਼ਰਾਬ ਪੀ ਕੇ ਡਟ ਗਏ ਅਤੇ ਕਾਮ ਦੀ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੀਤ ਨਾਲ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਨੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਕੀਤਾ। ਸੁਖਦਾਇਕ ਆਸਣ, ਆਲਿੰਗਨ ਅਤੇ ਚੁੰਬਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਕੀਤੇ। ਉਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਛਾਤੀਆਂ ਤੋੜ ਮੋੜ ਕ, ਉਹੇ ਸਵੇਰ ਤਕ ਚੰਗੀ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਵਜਾਈ, ਭਾਵ ਉਸ ਨਾਲ ਰਤੀ ਮਨਾਈ। `
    ਸਾਰੀ ਰਾਤ ਭੋਗ ਦਾ ਆਨੰਦ ਮਾਣ ਕੇ ਜਦੋਂ ਸਵੇਰੇ ਦਾਸੀ ਜਾਣ ਲਗੀ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਪਤਾ ਨਾ ਲਗਾ ਅਤੇ ਰਾਤ ਦੀ ਮਸਤੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਉਸਨੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਦਾ ਉਪਰ ਲੈਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਕਪੜਾ ਓੜ ਲਿਆ।
    ਜਦੋਂ ਦਾਸੀ ਰਾਣੀ ਕੋਲ ਪਹੁੰਚੀ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਪੁਛਿਆ ਕਿ ਤੁੰ ਔਖੇ ਔਖੇ ਸਾਹ ਕਿਉਂ ਲੈ ਰਹੀ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਦਾਸੀ ਨੇ ਜੁਆਬ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਕਿ ਮੈਂ ਤੇਰੇ ਲਈ ਇਥੋਂ ਦੌੜਦੀ ਹੋਈ ਗਈ ਸਾਂ। ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਪੁਛਿਆ ਕਿ ਤੇਰੇ ਵਾਲ ਕਿਉਂ ਖੁਲ੍ਹੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਜ਼ੁਲਫ਼ਾਂ ਕਿਉਂ ਲਟਕ ਰਹੀਆਂ ਹਨ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਜੁਆਬ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਕਿ ਮੈਂ ਤੇਰੇ ਲਈ ਰਾਜੇ ਦੇ ਪੈਰੀ ਪਈ ਸਾਂ। ਜਦ ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਪੁੱਛਿਆ ਕਿ ਤੇਰੇ ਹੋਠਾਂ ਦੀ ਲਾਲੀ ਕਿਥੇ ਗਈ ਤਾਂ ਦਾਸੀ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਹੁਤ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਕਰਨ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਲਾਲੀ ਖ਼ਤਮ ਹੋ ਗਈ। ਅਖੀਰ ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਪੁਛਿਆ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਤੂੰ ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਕਿਸ ਦਾ ਲਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਜੁਆਬ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਕਿ ਉਥੋਂ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਲਈ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਵਿੱਚ ਭਰੋਸੇ ਦੀ ਨਿਸ਼ਾਨੀ ਲਿਆਉਂਦੀ ਹੈ।
    ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਲੇਖਕ ਨੇ ਇਸ ਕਹਾਣੀ (ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ) ਦੀ ਸਮਾਪਤੀ ਇੰਝ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ:
    “ਸੁਨਿ ਬਚ ਰਾਨੀ ਚੁਪ ਰਹੀ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਰੂਪ ਅਪਾਰ। ਛਲ ਕੋ ਛਿਦ੍ਰ ਨ ਕਿਛੁ ਲਖਿਯੋ ਇਮ ਛਲਗੀ ਬਰ ਨਾਰਿ। ੧੫। ੧। ”
    ਅਰਥ: ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਅਪਾਰ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪ ਸੀ, ਉਹ ਰਾਣੀ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਬਚਨ ਸੁਣ ਕੇ ਚੁਪ ਹੋ ਗਈ। ਉਸ ਨੇ ਛਲ ਦਾ ਭੇਦ ਨਾ ਪਾਇਆ। ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਉਹ ਰਾਣੀ ਛਲੀ ਗਈ।
    ਪਾਠਕ ਜੀ! ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਇਹ ਸੋਚੋ ਕਿ ਜੋ ਗੰਦ ਉਪਰਲੇ ਪੰਜ ਬੰਦਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਘੋਲਿਆ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ ਕੀ ਉਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਗੈਰ ਇਹ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਲਿਖੀ ਜਾ ਸਕਦੀ? ਸਾਰੀ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਇੱਕ ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ ਐਸਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਮਾੜੇ ਕਰਮ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਨੇ। ਸੋ ਹੁਣ ਆਪ ਜੀ ਇਹ ਨਿਰਣਾ ਕਰ ਲਓ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਕੀ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਮਿਲਦੀ ਹੈ ਸਿਵਏ ਇਸ ਦੇ ਕਿ ਪਤੀ ਨੂੰ ਧੋਖਾ ਦੇਣਾ ਹੈ, ਪਰਾਏ ਪੁਰਸ਼ ਨਾਲ ਸੰਬੰਧ ਬਨਾਉਣੇ ਅਤੇ ਨਸ਼ੇ ਕਰਨੇ?
    ਲਓ ਹੁਣ ਇੱਕ ਹੋਰ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਸੁਣੋ ਜੋ (ਅਖੌਤੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ) ਨਾਮੀ ਪੁਸਤਕ ਵਿਚਲੀ ਰਚਨਾ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰੋ ਪਖਯਾਨ (ਤ੍ਰਿਆ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ) ਭਾਗ ਦਾ ੩੮੭ਵਾਂ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ। ਮਾਰਵਾੜ ਦਾ ਇੱਕ ਰਾਜਾ ਸੀ ਚੰਦ੍ਰ ਸੈਨ। ਉਸ ਦੀ ਰਾਣੀ ਜਗਮੋਹਨ ਦੇਵੀ ਸੀ ਜੋ ਬਹੁਤ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਸੀ।
    ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਰਾਜੇ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਪਤਨੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਇੱਕ ਸ਼ਰਤ ਲਗ ਗਈ। ਰਾਜੇ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਅਜ ਤੱਕ ਕੋਈ ਐਸੀ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਨਾ ਹੀ ਸੁਣੀ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਨਾ ਹੀ ਵੇਖੀ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਪਤੀ ਨੂੰ ਢੋਲ ਦੀ ਢਮਕ ਸੁਣਾਵੇ ਤੇ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ ਆਪਣੇ ਯਾਰ ਨਾਲ ਰਮਣ ਕਰੇ। ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਮਨ ਬਣਾ ਲਿਆ ਕੇ ਮੈਂ ਰਾਜੇ ਨਾਲ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਵਿਖਾਵਾਂਗੀ ਕਿ ਯਾਰ ਨਾਲ ਰਮਣ ਵੀ ਕਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਢੋਲ ਵੀ ਵਜਾਵਾਂ। ਕੁੱਝ ਦਿਨਾਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਆਦਤ ਬਣਾ ਲਈ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਸਿਰ ਤੇ ਗਾਗਰ ਧਰ ਕੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਲਈ ਪਾਣੀ ਭਰ ਕੇ ਲਿਆਉਂਦੀ। ਉਸ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੀਆਂ ਸਾਰੀਆਂ ਸਹੇਲੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਦਸ ਦਿੱਤੀ ਕਿ ਮੈਂ ਸਿਰ ਤੇ ਗਾਗਰ ਚੁਕ ਕੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਲਈ ਪਾਣੀ ਭਰ ਕੇ ਲਿਆਵਾਂਗੀ।
    ਰਾਜਾ ਇਹ ਸੁਣ ਕੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਖੁਸ਼ ਹੋਇਆ ਕਿ ਰਾਣੀ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਿਰ ਤੇ ਘੜਾ ਚੁੱਕ ਕੇ ਲਿਆ ਕੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਪਾਣੀ ਪਿਆਉਂਦੀ ਹੈ। ਉਹ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਬਹੁਤ ਪਤਿਬ੍ਰਤਾ ਸਮਝਣ ਲੱਗ ਪਿਆ।
    ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਤੇ ਹੋਏ ਨੂੰ ਜਗਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਹਥ ਵਿੱਚ ਘੜਾ ਲੈਕੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਜਦੋਂ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਢੋਲ ਦੀ ਪਹਿਲੀ ਧਮਕ ਸੁਣੋ ਤਾਂ ਸਮਝ ਜਾਣਾ ਕਿ ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਡੋਲ ਨੂੰ ਖੂਹ ਵਿੱਚ ਲਟਕਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਜਦੋਂ ਦੂਜੀ ਭਾਰੀ ਢਮਕ ਸੁਣੋ ਤਾਂ ਸਮਝਣਾ ਕਿ ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਡੋਲ ਖੂਹ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕਢਿਆ ਹੈ।
    ਉਸ ਰਾਣੀ ਦਾ ਇੱਕ ਯਾਰ ਸੀ ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਨਾਂਅ ਲਹੌਰੀ ਰਾਇ ਸੀ ਜਿਸ ਨਾਲ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਨਾਜਾਇਜ਼ ਸੰਬੰਧ ਸਨ। ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਉਸ ਨੁੰ ਬੁਲਾ ਲਿਆ ਤੇ ਮਨ ਲਾਕੇ ਉਸ ਨਾਲ ਭੋਗ ਕੀਤਾ। ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਲੇਖਕ ਇੰਝ ਲਿਖਦਾ ਹੈ:
    ‘ਪ੍ਰਥਮ ਜਾਰ ਜਬ ਧਕਾ ਲਗਾਯੋ। ਤਬ ਰਾਨੀ ਲੈ ਢੋਲ ਬਜਾਯੋ।
    ਜਬ ਤਿਹ ਲਿੰਗ ਸੁ ਭਗ ਤੇ ਕਾਢਾ। ਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਦਿਯ ਢੋਲ ਢਮਾਕਾ ਗਾਢਾ। ੧੦। `
    ਅਰਥ: ਜਦੋਂ ਯਾਰ ਨੇ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਲਗਾਇਆ ਤਦ ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਡੱਗਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਢੋਲ ਵਜਾਇਆ। ਜਦੋਂ ਉਸ ਪੁਰਸ਼ ਨੇ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੀ ਨੂੰ ਯੋਨੀ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਹਰ ਕਢਿਆ, ਤਦ ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਤਕੜੀ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਢੋਲ ਢਮਕਾਇਆ।
    ‘ਤਬ ਰਾਜੈ ਇਹ ਭਾਤਿ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ। ਡੋਰਿ ਕੂਪ ਤੇ ਨਾਰਿ ਨਿਕਾਰੀ।
    ਤਿਨ ਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਭੋਗ ਜਾਰ ਸੌ ਕੀਨਾ। ਰਾਜਾ ਸੁਨਤ ਦਮਾਮੋ ਦੀਨਾ। ੧੧। `
    ਅਰਥ: ਤਦ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੇ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਸੋਚਿਆ ਕਿ ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਰਸੀ ਖੂਹ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਕਢੀ ਹੈ। ਉਸ ਇਸਤਰੀ ਨੇ ਯਾਰ ਨਾਲ ਰਮਣ ਵੀ ਕੀਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਣਨ ਲਈ ਢੋਲ ਵੀ ਵਜਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ।
    ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਲੇਖਕ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਨੂੰ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਖਤਮ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ:
    ‘ਪ੍ਰਥਮ ਜਾਰ ਸੌ ਭੋਗ ਕਮਾਯੋ। ਬਹੁਰੋ ਢੋਲ ਢਮਾਕ ਸੁਨਾਯੋ।
    ਭੂਪ ਕ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਾ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ। ਕਹਾ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਕਿਯਾ ਇਮ ਨਾਰੀ। ੧੨। ੧। `
    ਅਰਥ: ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਯਾਰ ਨਾਲ ਭੋਗ ਵੀ ਕੀਤਾ। ਫਿਰ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੂੰ ਢੋਲ ਦੀ ਢਮਕ ਵੀ ਸੁਣਾ ਦਿੱਤੀ। ਰਾਜੇ ਨੇ ਇਸ ਕ੍ਰਿਆ ਨੂੰ ਬਿਲਕੁਲ ਨਾ ਸਮਝਿਆ ਕਿ ਰਾਣੀ ਨੇ ਕੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈ।
    ਪਾਠਕ ਜੀ! ਸਾਰੀ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਇੱਕ ਵੀ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਐਸਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਿਸ ਤੋਂ ਮਾੜੇ ਕਰਮ ਛੱਡ ਕੇ ਉੱਚਾ ਆਚਰਣ ਬਨਾਉਣ ਦੀ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਮਿਲਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ। ਹੁਣ ਜੋ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਕਹਾਣੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹ ਦੀ ਲਿਖਤ ਮੰਨਦੇ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਇਹ ਦਲੀਲ ਦੇਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਕਹਾਣੀਆਂ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਦੇਣ ਲਈ ਲਿਖੀਆਂ ਹਨ, ਉਹ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਸੋਚ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਕੇ ਦਸਣ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਚੋਂ ਸਿਵਾਏ ਪਤੀ ਨੂੰ ਧੋਖਾ ਦੇਣ, ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਮੂਰਖ ਬਨਾਉਣ ਅਤੇ ਗ਼ੈਰ ਮਰਦ ਨਾਲ ਨਾਜਾਇਜ਼ ਸੰਬੰਧ ਬਨਾਉਣ ਦੇ, ਹੋਰ ਕਿਹੜੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਚੋਂ ਕਿਹੜੀ ਚੰਗੀ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਮਿਲਦੀ ਹੈ?

  3. English Version extract from the Sikh Rehat Maryada (copy can be viewed online at SGPC website).

    Article I – Definition of Sikh
    Any human being who faithfully believes in:
    • One Immortal Being
    • Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Gobind Singh
    • The Guru Granth Sahib
    • The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus
    • The baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any
    other religion, is a Sikh.
    Unquote

    Where does it say Dasam Granth (which was orginally known as Bachittar Natak). Some cunning individual or group decided to change its name and there you find some individual from Malaysia claiming to be the champion of Bachittar Natak. Go figure who this person is and what warped arguments his blind chelay’s have on this subject. My hunch is they are obsessed with the kama sutra readings in this BN.

  4. Amarjit, speak for yourself, countless have read and applauded for their honesty.I must applaud the Pulapol gurduara for standing for the Rehat maryada and not some dubious characters

  5. Amarjit, is still to provide the new evidence he claimed months ago, and has not delivered todate.While accusing others of slanting , he just does not realise just how slanted his devious “advice” is which he contradicts himself -it is obvious his slantiness does not allow him to be a straight person.

    Let us look at this two forked tongue-

    ‘ As far as the sanctity of the Dasam Granth matter is concern, I think the Malaysian sanggat should NOT get involved in slandering, “nindia” and throwing judgements on ths matter. Afterall, who are are we to say it’s right or wrong when for hundreds of years from the time Guru Gobind Singh Ji left this world, Sikhs all over the world have ACCEPTED Dasam Granth Bani, 5 Baniaan it and have been reading it everyday in their homes.’

    He contradicts all over, while he advises the sangat in Malaysia to not get involved-he is happy in next paragraph for some obscure individual from Malaysia to hide out in some lakhi Jungle Gurduara to resolve an issue that 95% of the Panth has time and time again REJECTED -from time it came about.

    While he and his cohorts are happily claiming the Guru wrote sexy porno stories…that he does not consider Nindia?To me he looks like a proper nindak, if he does not get his way, he will distribute to the face book, is a nindaks threat!I suggest you do, so at last the Akal takhat will publicly do somethings instead of hiding and issueing u tubes..they world will know clearly for once and all.These fellos look like children who cannot get their way are stooping low by any which way to lie, to force and even be Guru nindaks-that their guru was a sex story writer…

    I suggest you pay attention to the finger that points back at you,rather than intimidate through blackmail towards others…since you read the dsm porno writings ……and then claim your GURU wrote that…explain what is..if you are indeed as you claim.Tell us where this found and what it means..especially lpt lpt …

    bhog me ling deyo raja
    ruch upji trni ke jia tb
    lpt lpt ashan tr gyi
    chuman krt bhoop ke bhyi

    Yes, you are CHILDISH and like a spoilt child, because for the last 100 years the OPanth has rejected this cock bull story book, like a spoilt child you are indulging into every silly corner to make people believe in it..and force it upon others.

    He then pleads , who are we to say wrong or right?may I ask, WHO is HE to suggest that it is Guru writing after similar number of years.If we agreed with his slanted look, we will not be slanted.

    What he is ignorant about is in 1945, the three nitname compositions were hideously added like they have hideously altered the maryada,a copy which was here to see, and no body realised.The original nitname is the first 13 angs of Guru Granth sahib.

    This fellow is saying dhan dhan Guru Gobind Singh -but what the shameless person.. omits to tell is this porno book also says take bhang for sex,have sex with as many men and women, have incest, how to have buggery, how to drink alcohol for sex, how sister plots to have sex,how to shave pubic hair and head,how to visit prostitutes ..especially when the Guru is said to visit prostitutes etc, the list is endless..perhaps it gives these fellow kicks to read this, and they want to do it in sangat and tek matha too,are their brains in?

    Repeatedly writers have written ONLY Guru Granth sahib, and there is no need for another especially porno storied book, they don’t want to follow the majority but bent on enforcing some bastardised book that is bent upon Sikhs.

    These fellow are really enemies of the panth, what the Moghuls failed to do, what Indira Gandhi failed, these long haired brahman traitors of Sikhs are doing within the fold, with pure ignorance unlimited.

    This fellows are not happy their slanted views have never featured in the maryada, are now trying force to impose.

    This academy should be reported to the authorities like some one has suggested , before it creates more divisions and disunity.

    Amarjits ignorance knows no bounds of stupidity when he claims those who stand for the recognised maryada are causing rifts -IGNORANCE–the disunity has been caused by these academy crooks , and their RSS baboons.

  6. Dear editor(s) of Asia Samachar. Pls I hope you will not turn this topic about me now, ay! 🙂 FYI, I have in fact read all your articles on this topic and I like to say it again, it is SLANTING and BIAS. Countless sanggat have read your articles and they feel the same way too.

    ONE MORE IMPORTANT MESSAGE…as an unbias news portal, you should make it a MUST for everyone commenting here to put their pictures up just like I did. If they have the courage to voice their opinions so open and daringly (about topics they have very less knowledge (gian), then perhaps they should also have the courage to show themselves. I feel shy la, I’m the only one with a handsome photo.

  7. Just as they say diamond only can cut diamond, gold only can cut gold and iron only can cut iron, similarly, wars and battles couldn’t finish off Sikhs, swords and bullets couldn’t finish off Sikhs, mental torture and physical torture couldn’t finish off Sikhs. However, the reality that ongoing now is that Sikhs are finishing off Sikhs. This is what those who are of anti-Sikhs wanted and did. They created conflicts among the Sikhs and our Sikhs starting to finish off each other.

    We were suppose to fight with the 5 demons (kam krodh lobh moh hankar) within us but sadly what is seen now is Sikh fighting verbally with another Sikh. If Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj were around physically, we all would have got a tight slap from Guruji.

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

  8. Dear Amarjit Singh. Since you use the Facebook as well, do share the comments you made here at Asia Samachar’s Facebook page, as well. As for your brand of journalism, we invite you to go through the countless articles that we have published on this topic. you will find they come cover all sides, all slants. Still, as a reader, you have the final say.

  9. Interesting piece of writeup. The slant the editor’s taken towards a side is obvious. They should go for journalism training on how to write unbiasly first and not take any sides when writing conflicting pieces of news like this.

    2. As far as the sanctity of the Dasam Granth matter is concern, I think the Malaysian sanggat should NOT get involved in slandering, “nindia” and throwing judgements on ths matter. Afterall, who are are we to say it’s right or wrong when for hundreds of years from the time Guru Gobind Singh Ji left this world, Sikhs all over the world have ACCEPTED Dasam Granth Bani, 5 Baniaan it and have been reading it everyday in their homes.

    3. Sadh Sanggat jio! let’s be a bit more wiser than this and don’t throw your opinions on the floor as if this was some sort of courtroom drama or sorts. “Asi bhi kini ku Maryada dey utay parchalat ah?” We should look at our own lives and ponder for a bit, how much are we and our children walking on the path of Sikhi? How much are we doing the ‘right’ things in our lives so we could be accepted in the Court of God. If the 5-Takhats Jathedars together with SGGS Academy Jathedar has sat down and are trying to resolve the matter, let them do it! Because they will be accountable for their actions towards to the Guru. Who are you or me to say this is right and this is wrong?! We take sides so easily and sometimes I wonder who are we and what we have become.

    4. Always look at the hand that’s pointing a finger, 4 fingers are pointing back at YOU. What do I do when I’m in doubt? I look back and do my own khojh (research) and from what I gather, Dasam Granth bani is all good! You need to have a ‘shudh hirda’ to read it and understand it. Some here I know don’t even read Japji Sahib in the morning and go to work. Look into the lives of our forefathers and ‘puratan’ Sikhs, Mahapursh, Saints…look at their ‘sharda’ and ‘bhawna’ towards Guru’s and bani…yes! even Dasam Granth bani! Do you think they’ll get into a debate like this? It’s childish, the way I see it. Believe in whatever you want to believe but keep your voice down, we are talking about DHAN SRI GURU GOBIND SINGH JIs BANI & DASAM GRANTH here.

    Listen! IF you cannot accept Dasam Granth bani, you cannot accept Guru Gobind Singh, and any of his bani’s or poetry. There is no such thing as Jaap Sahib, Tav Parsad Sawaiyeaiy and Benti Chaupai is OK and the rest is not. How is that acceptable? The so called ‘soverign decision maker of the Khalsa Panth is NOT SGPC, MGC or SGGS! It’s Akaal Takhat!

    One thing’s for sure, if we carried on at the rate we are going, we will NOT be accepted in House of Guru Nanak! Not in Dargah. Not anywhere. And the brunt of this outright misdemeanor towards Guruji and His Bani will not be good for them who oppose outright and for their families too. That’s the chance YOU have to take IF you are feeling stubborn about it. Let the matter rest. Step aside and let the learned take the fight at the level they want. We are talking about Guru’s bani here, hello! This is not your novel from Popular bookstore. Jagoh, sutio sarey!

    (don’t knw if this post will be published, if they do, good, if they don’t, I’ve made copies to distribute in FB groups. Satnam!)

  10. Please read the countless (a large part of DG) stories of sexual nature contained in the Dasam Granth under the heading of tria ceritar. 8 volumes of D.G by Pandat Narayan Singh are available with explanations. Shocking stories which no Guru Ji would even dream of penning.

    While the Sikhs were busy fighting for their survival some devious people have cunningly composed this Granth and by including some of Dasam Pitas Banis they have succeeded in fooling us. My humble opinion derived from reading these volumes. May also be available in English somewhere on the net.

  11. In many Gurdwaras even items [a], [b] and [d] are not complied so why keep on objecting on item [c].

    Sikhs do not need outsiders to break them as there may be sufficient withing the Sanggat.

    Sad.

  12. It never ceases to amaze me the mischeivious acts and actions of these fellows-promoting the rss and branwaadhi mindset-they have been caught on three previous occasions with their kacha down, and yet again they tried to mislead and lie to the Sikhs with doctored u tube.

    More than a salient point is they forgot-any directives to the Khalsa panth are issued from the Akal Takhat -in the open and with press presence-not through false you tubes.

    It is obvious they have an agenda to mislead the sangats, in view of the Dhundha visit.Also, I beleive their antics have been exposed, and in desparate attempt they, as usual resorted to lying.

    They claim A) The entire Sri Dasam Granth is Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s Bani (Gurbani).-Bingo-wrong -1972 directive from the governing committee of the Akal takhat -clearly states the chartropakhyan are NOT Guru kirt!

    IN recent times, the Tksaal head dimunative Dhuma-admist openly reported in the press that 1200 pages are NOT guru writings!

    Repeatedly,over the years the filth of the dsm potha has been ignored in any panthic decisions since 1920, 1925, 1945, and so on.It has NEVER featured.BULLSEYE BINGO!

    There has been no scientific study allowed to be done of any of the books, and since 1895-there is no book of authencity that could be studied, as Manna Singh and his Sodhak committee destroyed all the orginals.BINGO!

    The FOUR birs around, alledgedly and are often mentioned , hold no historical value, who so ever at all.BINGO!

    Eight compositions were left out, in 1895, that these derawadhi ignorants cannot even name, let alone explain,why, what or how on what ground a man and his readers decided to LEAVE what they claim “Guru writings” OUT.

    1Were these men superior to the Guru?
    2]Were they above the Guru?
    3]Did the Guru gave them the RIGHT to ALTER what they call his writings?

    Instead of running around and collecting falsehood and doctored u tubes, Paramjeet should ANSWER these simple questions.Set the record straight with evidence instead of lying with sweeping statements like

    “” The entire Sri Dasam Granth is Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s Bani”.

    Perhaps, Parmajeet does NOT understand that GURBANI is ONLY contained within Guru Granth sahib.

    Is Paramjeet trying to be the 11th Guru to say he know better than Guru Gobind Singh , when the Guru Ji specifically ordered his writings [if any are ]are NOT bani to be included in Guru Granth sahib.

    “B) Sri Dasam Granth is an unquestionable integral part of the Khalsa Panth providing guidance on Sikh lifestyle (with relevance to Charitropakhyan), Code of Conduct (Rehat Maryada), Ardaas, Significance of Arms in Sikh faith, Amrit and Khalsa Panth”

    Dsm granth is alledgedly written, it is NOT definitely- how does Paramjeet propose the relevance of charitropakhyan?Did his father practice charitropakhyan?Does he practice charitropakyan?
    Please explain HOW?Has he taught the meanings of the charitropakhyan to his daugheters and sons?

    “…Code of Conduct (Rehat Maryada), Ardaas, Significance of Arms in Sikh faith, Amrit and Khalsa Panth””

    What a load irrelevant red herrings thrown in to try to confuse the sangat with his nonsensical waffling!

    IN hazur sahib, they slaughter goats, misguidedly and an influence from local hindu culture, of “bakre di bali”–Will Paramjeet clarify if this is also Guru Hukam of khalsa Panth ?
    Well I would not mind buying two goats for him ,when he does decide to do this action in Tata Khalsa Gurduara at his head quarters.

    Lies galore with this SRI GANPATH Ganesh Saab ACADEMY—Please respond appropriately-who know with your correct answers you may convince me to be your chella…I am sure you could use me as your second large “topp”-Convince us—especially considering since 1895 this is simply man made book!

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