Twister to Father’s Day message

1. Sr.Gurcharan Sahib SSA Ji. Im glad you have pinned the nail rightly to openly admit the work of highly corrupt intelligentsia to hishonour His Majesty Guru Gobind Singh Ji and tarnish His image in the eyes of the very vulnerable population.. THE Women…a strong component of any society. Thanks to give us the numericle denomination on actual Bani in potha as you mentioned. Txs.and regards.

2. Dr Sr, BS Bains ji, Gurfateh,I am glad the message is getting out there.Totally agree, in recent years vested interests have ignited this to mislead Sikhs, basically flogging a dead horse to run.

   The title, quite rightly, as put by your kind self has misled MOST Sikhs,and the fact also these names have undergone changes at least 8 times, including the mischief of adding in small letters a most revered word in Sikh literature, GURU.

   However,Sir, If I may kindly point out, the contents that are possibly connected to Guru writings, even remotely amount to only 7.25 % of the total content of this book,not 30-40%. I prefer to call potha.
   Kind regards

3. PS-Sarjeet Singh ji…by the way, my first article is very factually based.My apology was simply perhaps I should have responded slightly differently. I did not wish to put the one who did not understand between the sanskritic defined guru and the Guru as defined in the Sikh faith in a deeper hole, than he had dug!Trying to hollow willow around with some legally experienced jargon-that contradicted itself; does not change that the SGGSA lied, manipulated, altered, and added words and tried to acidicly pull large balls of wool over the readers eyes.

   Dr Karaminder caught that.
   The reference is to a bed.

   While Gurmukh made up the word from sanscritic guru ….to Gur ….which it is not…however good a try!

   OBSERVATION;SGGSA lied,manipulated,distorted -shows a good example how this porno filled book has been manipulated over the years and still continues to be fiddled as SGGSA has proven.Period.

   Gurmukh,in expressing may be or may be NOT, with duality of mind admits, then wonders “if ” or not the couplets are written by a “guru”-but gets it wrong when he translates that into GUR-Bingo-scores ZERO!

   The couplets are written and copied from an earlier sanskritic folklore-in sanskritic -from a culture that produces many gurus of yoga, dharam, or agni-mahakaal,Kalka, kalki.

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   This is the 21st century…3rd Millineum…Vast Library of resources in all languages widely available to those who WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH…and …will NOT swallow hook line and sinker that so and so Baba Ji read it..liked it…worshiped it..bhindrawala believed it..SO WHAT…Bhindrawala from my next village was a Std Five drop out, thus did not understand the folly of a strategy of digging like an obstinate camel……I guess, the only real action someone from the tksaal ever did, having got thousands involved and killed in the process; DOESNT OUR GURU INSTRUCT US ALL TO USE OUR BRAIN…AAKLEEN SAHIB SEEVEEYEAH ?? ARE OUR MINDS CLOSED BECAUSE SOME BABA/SOME HOLY MAN DID THIS AND DIDNT DO THAT..SO WE ARE DUTY BOUND TO FOLLOW. NO SIR..WE ARE DUTY BOUND TO FOLLOW ONLY THE GURU…BHULLANN ANDAR SABH KO..ABHULL GURU KARTAAR…ONLY GOD-GURU IS INFALLIBLE….WAKE UP AND SMELL THE Dsm Potha

   There appears to be an absence of perception among these parrot learners -they have read and reread their brainwashed dialogue script countless times -it is not uncommon to find they cannot accommodate new information-there is no dialogue dimension nor acceptance of Guru Granth sahib-as the Sole Guru in this cult.

   Let me make it very clear, there is no harm in reading this book,I have three different period copies,which I got , when I got interested to learn why are some people so nerdy headed over something, that at best is copied from some other works , and at worst is planted by anyone out to defame His mMajesty Guru Gobind Singh -planted by the Mughals, the hill rajas, nirmalas, imposters, brahnwadhis,udasis,sikhs who were working for the Mogul empire, just like we have now working for the RSS-who have found out that thru this fictitious book, they can not only destabilise the community but also make semi enclosed into the belief of krishan avtar mahakal idolatory -finally absorbing the community into greater Hinduvta.

4. Some Dehras, for personal milestone, have begun to give importance to Dassam Granth (DG) in recent years. DG has been an issue, long solved, as mentioned by Bhai Gurcharan Singh. Our Belovered Gurus would never disgrace our mothers, sisters and daughters through narration of this sexual panorama…which is actually a literary phorno as there were no photographs then written to create confusion among Sikhs. Read along the lines of Charittar its Kamasutra. Why on earth would Guru Ji need to have another book for illustration.. In this case DG…I would call it Dassam Pustak. As the word “Granth” is revered. I would still call it “Pothi” due to some 30 to 40% of spiritual message of Sri Guru Gobind Singh. He did not instruct anyone to compile his poetry. He could have done it while in Damdama Sahib. No where such instruction to compile his poetey is found in any Sikh historical litrature. The so called DG is a “harkat” of RSS movement. It has always been there right from Guru Nanak’s era and has snow-balled into the present century. We now see its obvious effects on our present Sikhs of Punjab. My only message to the Sangat is that “Let’s put our believe on SGGS…No messages in it, by any Gurus, in their thought processes, are contradictory and the messages, in it, is all about spiritual upliftment. Its message is to self-hood. Let’s not complicate matters. Infact the less its discussed the better. Othewise we are opening another worm-filled box. Let’s not make this “Sikh-Confusion Drama”, ceremonial to some anti-sikh factors.

5. Gurmukh Sarjeet Singh Ji, I saw this on my mobile,on a long return car journey between Mannheim -Paris – London, while my wife shared driving back.I responded, as I thought appropriate.

   But on reaching home, I had another look through my desk top- and realised the issue was different from what I understood earlier.I did write to the editors, to not post the first article; but it was still done.

   I felt I did indeed write with a fly in the ointment in my first response with a cheek in tongue-that Gurmukh does not deserve ;however, my second is the factual explanation.

   The issue was not the degenerative porno potha,or Dr Karaminder or Gurmukh, the core issue is the lies and false attempts by the SGGSA in the couplet.

   The SGGSA has manipulated ,LIED, distorted and tried to lead the sangat astray maliciously to preach their depraved mind, by adding non existent names of the Gurus and associating with Gurus, with the chariter, hat is simply copied from shive puran page 25.

   There is absolutely no message to any Guru, from any Guru , that Dr Karminder appears to have understood or interpreted.
   Yes, there is an issue of bed.

   However, all this chariter is a narration of sexual activity being narrated by the raja’s minister to the raja himself!

   How this was turned into ADVICE?

   In the same way the herculean lie is used as this dubious book is being turned into a parallel of GURU GRANTH SAHIB.
   Good wishes.

6. S Gurcharan Singh Ji,
   In your second post (comment) you said:
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   Which part of the content did you misunderstand and are apologizing for? And what part do you agree with as fair explanation?

7. Having read second time on desk top ,I apologise,as I was travelling, initially misunderstood the contnt. I agree it is a fair explanation, but the fact remains this book is not acceptable as a parallel to Guru Granth sahib, neither it is seen as important.It has been rejected all the while.I have no issues , if as the panth has directed, someone wishes to read.But it is not written by Sikh Guru, nor to be sat alongside.the Guru.

   The chariter,the couplet comes from is 21-CLEARLY seen in the image SGGSA presented.Having fouled their oral cavity loosely, they are trying to defile the community in their ugly quest for power and domination, as seen from the mother orgnisation -tksaal .
   However, the Chariter 21, no where states the word GUR, but guru-which is also used in sanskritic folklore long before the Sikh religion came into existence, as the charitropakhyan ARE copied largely from Shive Puran.

   Considering, it is the LONE word out of about 1400 words in the chariter.
   There is NO such word as GUR-in sanskritic literature; which with the advent of Sikh religion is linked to the Sikh spirituality and Gurbani -and the word Guru took altogether a different meaning with Sikh Gurus.Thus different meanings exist for the word Guru and Gur within Sikhism, while Gur is non existent in sanskritic literature.”guru” is found commonly in sanskritic literature -as to this day, guru is also used in tamil to this day, as acharya guru, or guru Anabhan,.
   The chariter 21,is about a Anoop Kaur and a raja-an incident that is alleged by the dsmis to have happened to Guru Gobind Singh himself.
   This couplet spread over a 6.5 pages of A5 size-begins with dohira, then bhujang shand, and dohira,then chaupaee-which begins with
   …
   “therefore , without hesitation have sex with me.
   because the excitement for sex overpowers all parts of my body.
   without an encounter with you, I will burn in the fire of separation
   Then come a number divides as follows Dohira; chhand ;arril; dohira ;chhand; dohira ;chhand; dohira
   chaupaee-reads”….by loving her my righteousness is destroyed
   but if I run away , she will get me caught ”
   Then more divides:
   arril chhand swaiya dohira chhand dohira, chaupae Dohira
   chappe chhand-this were the lines in question turn up ,as there is no other line that has the word “guru” in this chariter.It reads
   “charity is endowed to the priests and the men with base thinking get scornful looks
   friends are entrained with relief and the enemies get hit on the heads with sword
   no act is performed keeping in view the public opinion
   one should not even dream of getting into BED with else’s wife
   since the time guru has taught me this lesson!”

   Dr Karaminder Singh is RIGHT!
   It is an issue around bed !
   It is not any advice to Guru Gobind Singh either, as the SGGSA claims.There is NO Guru Tegh Bahadur’s name or Guru Gobind Singh’s like the SGGSA photo couplet claimed!

   In the next charitter 22, and 23, Guru Gobind Singh looses his shoes, is caught by the crowd and beaten etc.as the couplet says.Jumbo, the SGGSA has their Guru beaten up!

   Dr Karaminder Singh is right-the core issue was SGGSA distorted the couplet by inserting Guru names , which are NOT in the original charitter couplet.

   The word guru here is related to sanskritic literature NOT Sikh Gurus.There is NO word Gur, as claimed by , in billio!

   Gurmukh is correct, that we should keep an open mind,not necessarily to open up to this dubious book as “Guru”or” bani”

   Finally, the charitter is being narrated by a third party to the raja.The whole charitter is a story, with NOTHING as educational advice but narration of sexual activities.A similar entry is found in Shive Puran page 52-which contains similar kamasutric entries.

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8. Heck, ancestoral great great plus parents were running semi naked or naked 1000 years ago, some how justifies anyone running naked in this century is what this writer wishes the people to believe and act upon!

   If indeed. this is what the writer, while pulling wool over the eyes wants people to believe, then I am sure we will all believe we have seen camels fly from Jeddah, to London!Wow Pingu, planes are not needed indeed now !

   This is now a full speed damage limitation any which way, how.Whoosh,having put their own foot into the mouth, after been caught with pants down-the SGGSA and its misled cohorts, are doing anything to get out of it, and cover their lies, while still flogging a dead horse issue.There is absolutely no ring of truth in their case, what in Punjabi means jabblian, however damaging to the community; if not challenged.

   Being irresponsible and footloose and without towing the Panth’s decision on this issue since 1903,there is now another fancy couplet that Guru Gobind Singh copied for them from some puran to indeed justify their plagarisation or manipulataion with couplets to mislead the sangat, as they have done, earlier.

   The chariter,the couplet comes from is 21-CLEARLY seen in the image.Having fouled their own oral cavity loosely, now they are trying to defile the community in their ugly quest for power and domintion, as seen from the mother orgnisation -tksaal .

   However, the Chariter 21, no where states the word GUR, but guru-which is also used in sanskritic folklore long before the Sikh religion came into existence, as the charitropakhyan ARE copied largely from Shive Puran.

   Considering, it is the LONE word out of about 1400 words in the chariter.

   There is NO such word as GUR-in sanskritic literature; which with the advent of Sikh religion is linked to the Sikh spirituality and Gurbani -and the word Guru took altogether a different meaning with Sikh Gurus.Thus different meanings exist for the word Guru and Gur within Sikhism, while Gur is non existent in sanskritic literature.”guru” is found commonly in sanskritic literature -as to this day, guru is also used in tamil to this day, as acharya guru, or guru Anabhan,.

   The chariter 21,is about a Anoop Kaur and a raja-an incident that is alleged by the dsmis to have happened to Guru Gobind Singh himself.

   This couplet spread over a 6.5 pages of A5 size-begins with dohira, then bhujang shand, and dohira,then chaupaee-which begins with
   …
   “therefore , without hesitation have sex with me.
   because the excitement for sex overpowers all parts of my body.
   without an encounter with you, I will burn in the fire of separation

   Then come a number divides as follows Dohira; chhand ;arril; dohira ;chhand; dohira ;chhand; dohira

   chaupaee-reads”….by loving her my righteousness is destroyed
   but if I run away , she will get me caught ”

   Then more divides:

   arril chhand swaiya dohira chhand dohira, chaupae Dohira

   chappe chhand-this were the lines in question turn up ,as there is no other line that has the word “guru” in this chariter.It reads

   “charity is endowed to the priests and the men with base thinking get scornful looks
   friends are entrained with relief and the enemies get hit on the heads with sword
   no act is performed keeping in view the public opinion
   one should not even dream of getting into BED with else’s wife
   since the time guru has taught me this lesson!”

   Dr Karaminder Singh is RIGHT, Presto!

   It is an issue around bedding , not GUR-which ids NON existent
   It is not any issue of advice to Guru Gobind Singh either, as the SGGSA claims.There is NO Guru Tegh Bahadurs name or Guru Gobind Singh’s name like the SGGSA photo couplet claimed!That was just a red herring!

   In the next charitter 22, and 23, Guru Gobind Singh looses his shoes, is caught by the crowd and beaten etc.as the couplet says.Jumbo, the SGGSA has their Guru beaten up!

   Dr Karaminder Singh is right-the core issue was SGGSA DISTORTED the couplet by inserting Guru names , which are NOT in the original charitter couplet.Simply, LIED.

   The word guru here is related to sanskritic literature NOT Sikh Gurus.There is NO word Gur, as claimed by Gurmukh Singh, in billio!

   Finally, the charitter is being narrated by a third party to the raja.The whole charitter is a story, with NOTHING as educational advice but narration of sexual activities.A similar entry is found in Shive Puran page 52-which contains similar kamasutric entries.Proves it is COPIED, and not Guru writings.

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   Piara Singh Padam, in his fanciful bluff, claims it is an incident that happened to Guru Gobind Singh!

   Wallah, the Malays also copied the word guru from tamil/hindi -and created “guru besar”–would in any way imply any Sikh Gurus?I guess these people , would beat about the bush with irrelevant jargon, as is apparent in the article, and suddenly create rationale for “guru or guru besar , and link to some Sikh Guru!!!Bullseye!

   Hey wey-Bingo- this is another attempt to conspire and bring a twist from the previous failed mischief, with another sodh by SGGSA- having done a proper sodhak in 1897!It is apparent,the object is now to defang and neuter their own antics,after being caught out by Dr Karaminder Singh.

   If indeed, we accept the argument that it is to “sex educate the Sikhs”, was it really necessary for the narrater to use FOUL words describing activities rather than advice;words that one would not use in presence of sisters, daughters , children. Taking into account that the misled at Hazoor Sahib and Patna NEVER take a hukamnama from the 60% content of the book, neither is ever read out loud what they call “bani”;when the charitropakhyan is read, the speakers are turned off.BINGO.

   Readers need to understand and stick to facts-this book,has held no significance in the Sikh religion apart from such circus clowns,who in their despair hopelessly have tried to convince the Panth to accept this unholy fables of sex as holier than thou utterings of the Guru , doing nothing more than blemishing His Noble Character.

   With the amount of namby pamby given, they need to do a real serious study about this false potha.The REAL Dasm Granth, that we may refer to is the DAMDAMA WALI Bir that the Guru annointed as Guru Granth Sahib, three days before his worldy departure,in 1708. HE completed it AFTER adding His father, Guru Tegh Bahdurs bani.

   The oral Sikh historian,Giani Gian Singh,in PANTH PARKASH clearly says something different when he writes :

   ਅਸਲ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਗੁਰ ਵਾਲਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ /ਰਹਿਤ ਬਿਰਧ ਦਲ ਮੈਂ ਮੱਧ ਪੰਥ

   ਘੱਲੂਘਾਰਾ ਜਦ ਵੱਧ ਭਾਇਯੋ /ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੁਰਾਨੀ ਸੋ ਲੀਯੋ/

   ਅਭ ਸੋ ਕਬੂਲ ਮੱਧ ਜਾਣੋ /ਬੜੀ ਧਰਮਸ਼ਾਲਾ ਮੈਂ ਮਾਨੋ//

   [ਗਿਆਨੀ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਿੰਘ , ਪੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ,ਨਿਵਾਸ 136, ਅੰਕ 18]

   MEANING:
   The real Granth is the GUR’s Granth
   Sent to the Buddha dal panth [budha dal, was non existent at time of Guru Gobind Singh]
   When Ghallugaras[massacres] started, Durrani Took the Granth,
   Now, believe it is in Kabul, in the larger Dharamshala.

   Most of the dsmi pothis, base their argument on this writing, and yet the writer is clearly speculating heresay!Although he refers only to the completed Guru Granth sahib,NOT another, however his history is out of dates on the rest of the issues.He “beleives”it is in Kabul!This shows this book is unreliable, YET the nonsensical argument goes on.

   Sikhs have been in Kabul since times of Guru Nanak-they have the Guru Granth sahib, but despite diddle, fiddle, yet , the so called dsm POTHA is no where!

   By late 19th century 4 main such books appeared-but none of them has any factual significance.Researchers have proven they were written spuriously.There is even a British plot in this, it is believed.

   But the alluded individuals continue to sell their dead meat , to split the sangats with narcisstic ideas about another book of no significance -yet hanky fiddling claims continue to galore.

   But when we look at Sikh history,this dubious book has never featured in Sikh history as they claim.Despite their crooked intents to correct and ad three stand alonewriings in 1897, it was not recognised by 188 Singh sabhas out of 187 at that time.

   In 1925, it was not paid any importance, rejected for inclusion by the Sikh Parthined Board.

   1945, it was not even paid any attention, for formation of Maryada.

   In 1973, the SGPC clearly rejects 60% of its content, the other is debatetable.

   At it’s peak in 1984, even JSB did not have the nerve to install it in Harmander sahib!

   As said,anti Sikh bodies,pro dera nirmala minded are trying the best to promote, dead isuess of no impotance.

   Bhai Kahn Singh in his book Gurmat Martand, part one, on page 415 says CLEARLY “some nadan Sikhs [simpletons or innocent sikhs] use the Gurus name with the dsm potha[granth], WHICH IS AGAINST GURMAT!

   Yet a couple of days ago, one B Jill S was lying to the extreme of oral cavity; that Bhai Kahn Singh supports the dsm potha!

   Another fellow demanding a Hukanama from Akal takhat-an organisation that is almost defucnt white elephant unless politics reward-but Dr Ganda Singh asserts that 78 out of 80 Hukamnamas from Akal takhat,featured in a book were false!Roop Singh, in his book adesh, sandesh and hukamnamas has missed out over 2 dozens that were issued.

   The points to remember is this book was NON existent during times of Guru Gobind Singh; if these people insist to sail under RSS/snatani derawadhi colours.

   The so called gianis of that time, like Maskeen could only utilise rationalisation that was available to them, coming from brahamani schools in Varansi and Bindraban, thus could only interpret limitedly, what they knew at that time.

   Giani Darshan Singh used to talk about this book, for donkeys years,but when he realised, he stopped, he was attacked a number of times.Despite being in doldrums, he has stood his grounds.

   Ranjit Singh Dhadhrianwala is another example, when he spoke against the dsm , the tksaal led by dwarf dhumma attempted to murder him, to keep him quiet.So it is not as simple as the writer alledges, a case of beleivers or non beleivers.

   Question, why are these speakers of truth being treated like these ?Because currently most of the employees of the SGPC and the akal takhat are educated in deras, are snatani influenced,thus do not want to loose the position they have kept sangats occupied with false tales,as money roles in.

   BUT, by pingu, they have had NO guts yet to bring it into the three Takhats, as the sangats will NOT accept this lesser than holier book.

   What jackpot bingo goes here…!History shows Banda Singh,Nawab Kapur Singh, Jassa Singh Ahluwalia; My own family ancestor, Sr Baghel Singh, the 18th century Sikh misals, or Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa,The Sikh Royals -none of them revered this nonsensical filth filled porno book, that suddenly these unsound minds woke to, over night!

   I would suggest to these anti SOLE GURU GRANTH Sahib turkeys, there are digital videos available where they can even see in practice, and model role, what they can only read from charitropakhyan-after all it is 21 chariter used by them; but to seat alongside the Guru Granth…NO.

9. I am 61 and still trying to correctly apply the mool manter of the Japji Sahib to my own everyday life. May Waheguru find me fit in this mission.

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